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Minor Matters

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Posted: September 10th, 2009 | By Jackie May

Caster is a hermaphrodite, or so claims an Australian newspaper. The Daily Telegraph has published a story saying that tests done reveal the South African world champion has no womb nor ovaries according to a source who leaked the confidential medical information. The news broke without first telling her family. Had Caster been informed before the news was made public, I wonder.

The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) is ready to disqualify Semenya from future events and advise her to have immediate surgery because her condition carries grave health risks. They have also not ruled out stripping Semenya of her 800m world championships gold medal.

The IAAF is expecting to receive the full set of medical results this week. In the meantime the claim is being made that Caster’s testosterone levels are very high, that scans show she has no womb nor ovaries, and that she has internal testes.

This morning the IAAF told The Times that they had the test results from Germany but these would first be interpreted by a panel of experts before discussing the matter with Caster, and thereafter they would make a public statement. Well that didn’t happen. And now? She may be disqualified from running competitively. She faces a serious health condition, and she may lose her gold medal.

I hope that she is receiving the support, and advice she needs. And let’s hope this will be sensitively handled by all involved to protect Caster in this whole affair. And please God, let this not be a BS story.

 
 


Comments

 

Reinardt Bronkhorst

September 10, 2009 at 6:16 pm

Those who leaked the news and all journo’s who even mention it should be dragged into the street and severely beaten. This is the exact example why news MUST be sensored! This story should never have been mentioned anywhere. Journalist have ruined this poor girls life. I hope you all are brought to account for this.

 

Brenda

September 10, 2009 at 6:23 pm

Wow! How insensitive. I am speechless!

 

Peter

September 10, 2009 at 7:09 pm

Unbelievably, you took your cue from the Sydney Daily Telegraph… which is a tabloid newspaper! The whole focus of that newspaper is sensationalist rubbish.

 

Sonia

September 10, 2009 at 7:35 pm

ASA has a responsibility towards its young athletes. How could they have let this poor child become so exposed and the permit everyone else to gain political mileage out of the whole story.

This should have been handled with more sensitivity. Tests SHOULD have been done before letting her go to Berlin.

They definitely carry the blame and no amount of ranting at the press can expunge that guilt!

 

druza

September 10, 2009 at 8:01 pm

WTF???…….IAAF just said they will release the results to Caster and Caster alone in NOVEMBER.
NOW WHAT THE HELL IS THIS…THERE WAS CLEARLY AN AGENDA TO HUMILIATE HER FROM THE ONSET. FCUK IAAF.

 

jasmine

September 10, 2009 at 8:02 pm

how dare you people pass judgement on this girl that was born with a condition that she had no control over – this is such a disgrace and i hope you are all proud of the hurt you fools will cause her…

 

Fed Up

September 10, 2009 at 8:16 pm

how insensitive indeed! that’s completely a private matter … It’s not for the public to know if i sport a **** or ****. You’ve done Caster immeasurable harm, and I would be the last one surprised if she does harm to her ownself. This rubbish shouldn’t have been printed. Whoever is responsible for leaking this so called ‘information’ should be subject to public humiliation – name and shame the ******* for all to see, that is! What a piece of ****!

 

Steve

September 10, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Bisexual children are being born in the Mpumalanga and especially Limpopo Provinces of SA. This is due to endocrine disrupting chemicals in the water sources. SA is facing a time bomb as a result of massive pollution problems caused by dysfunctional municipalities, Mining, industry and squatter settlements. The SA Government should start looking into their own administration and not point fingers.

 

maaka

September 10, 2009 at 9:28 pm

Sies you Australians!!!1 Can you imagine if this was your child being humiliated like this…sies

 

Kas

September 10, 2009 at 10:39 pm

I think John Robbie on 702 was right. We should have done the tests ourselves than to subject this girl to international humiliation. How will she handle it. As fo the Ausies sies!! for getting information not meant for you!

 

David Graham

September 10, 2009 at 11:05 pm

Wow…..unbelievable to see all these dumbass commentators spilling their guts out like this…..you lot are trying to make out that bthe rest of the planet is against SA over this…no….we are not….however, if you are clearly so ill informed as to spout some of the claptrap so far then you deserve it when it does come your way!

He/she was the subject of a test prior to the Berlin Games…..funnily enough it now seems that the SAA were privt to things not exactly being hunky dory and those that need to be spoken to have vanished.

Those of you who think this is a private matter???

WTF is the matter with you…if you are in the public spotlight thats where you will stay, if you want to compete with and against other atheletes who dont have a set of plums, internal or not,then be prepared to be outed.

I am not saying for one minute that the bloke knew he wasnt a woman…but ffs…get real will you..and start to gather the ingredients together for the humble pie that you will have to be eating sooner rather than later.

I hope you bunch of dickheads will come back on here in a few days with your caps in hand shuffling your feet nervously on the carpet as you beg sheepish forgiveness for your sheepish and blinkered view…..

 

christa

September 10, 2009 at 11:44 pm

If all this is true,no ovaries or uterus surely she should’ve questioned why she was not menstruating like the other girls and consulted a doctor for that matter,i really do feel sorry for her condition but really!!!!

 

batandwa

September 11, 2009 at 7:52 am

For crying out loud Christa girls who have grown up in villages don’t have those kind of resources and if you had been exposed to village life you would know that there are girls who mature much latter than other gals and that is not questioned because it is a norm. Caster did not grow up in a privileged society, npow should she be humiliated for not having access to the medical care available to only the privileged in SA.Austrialians though have no shame when it comes to Black people. I know black South Africans cry racism at any dispute with a white person but Australia is a classic country. Caster i hope you stay the strong person you have been through all of this and know that your country man support you.

 

Reinardt Bronkhorst

September 11, 2009 at 7:56 am

In response to David Graham.

Caster is a woman. She was raised that way. The fact that she has male characteristics internally does not change that. Legally the extra testosterone may mean she can not compete with women, but no-one other than Caster and the athletics body have the right to this information.

Let me ask you this question. The newspaper is clearly in the public view? Then the source who ‘leaked’ the information should be made public by your argument, he has no right to privacy? I am pretty sure though that the paper will say, “sources are confidential”?

What happened to Caster’s LEGAL right to confidentiality? After all medical tests are confidential? At least they are supposed to be?

Oh yeah and intelligent boys should never swear so kindly refrain or accept the title.

 

David Graham

September 11, 2009 at 8:13 am

Whatever you say Richard…but once again you seem to be spouting some sort of minor parochial claptrap.

It’s a great shame for the bloke/girl, he/she has been manipulated by the SA’s for their own political ends and so it continues.

Is caster Semenya her/his real name??

How unbelievanle is it that the easiest to find anagram from her/his name is ‘ YES A SECRET MAN’

There is no legal right to confidentiality in a public forum, a world public games, if you want to compete on that level then you ARE public property.

Instead of bothering to waste your time having a pop at me, try having a pop at your own authorities who clearly have known this was a geexer bird for some time…..it’s staggering that they think they could get away with it…..

Leak or no leak…completely immaterial, the bottom line is that your country has been trying to pass off a bloke as a woman in a womans event…I am sure that most of the other women competitors would like to have the added advantage of being able to have 3 times theor level of testosterone coursing through their veins for muscle development.

Thats the issue, not anyones feelings…mow I suggest that you holier than thou types get ready to show the world how you embrace and deal with the cheats who perpetrated this.

In Athletics history when this has happened before the people concerned have been stripped of whatever they have cheated their way to winning and been ostracised.

 

Jessie

September 11, 2009 at 8:19 am

I am very disappointed, Caster deserves some privacy for goodness sake.

 

Didi

September 11, 2009 at 8:24 am

South Africans please let’s support Caster in this whole mess,its really demoralising to be called such names, your gender questioned as if you had a choice in your making. She probably didn’t know her status, she has female genitals, and whatever that has to be rectified, let it be done and treated as any medical condition with CONFIDENTIALITY, lets all demand that whoever has divulged her medical tests, be brought to book, with serious punishment, it is a very serious offence to reveal medical reports, lets nail it there!, After all, if this condition can be rectified, there is no reason for her not competing again, infact, how reliable is this source, is there any second opinion considered, they may be cooked as far as they are concerned, I love Caster, whatever gender she is.

 

David Graham

September 11, 2009 at 8:33 am

Once again…you south ifricans should be asking questions of the people who manipulated this bloke into all of this…..what was more sickening than the eventual outcome of the tests was him being paraded on the front cover of a magazine dressed as a woman in a black sparkly dress, hair done, made up….MALE TORSO, MALE SHOULDERS,MALE HANDS, MALE CHEEKBONES and a voice like ROCKY BALBOA…how on earth could you not tell????

As for DIDI…CONFIDENTIALITY…….what is that?? is that a byword for allowing men to compete as women secretly in sports?

So we all just forget it and allow it to happen do we?
Can’t wait to see the next SA womens rugby squad…

 

James

September 11, 2009 at 8:34 am

I wonder who the burstard is to reveal such confidential info like this to the puplic. I really believe that other people have hearts, I don’t even think that he/she is ashamed of what she/he has caused.

 

Des

September 11, 2009 at 8:35 am

What about the poor athletes that are WOMAN that are placed at a disadvantage by having to compete against Semenya. Its not fair on them at all but no one apperars to care about thier rights to compete against GENUINE women only.

 

Reinardt Bronkhorst

September 11, 2009 at 8:43 am

David.

The name is Reinardt but anyway.

Public property? Sounds something like slavery to me? That is interesting. Wonder if any of the document’s, like the very constitution that ‘protects’ the media refers to something like that. I am not sure, that I will admit, but I can’t possible imagine that it would. In fact I do know that it makes reference there to the right to privacy.

The document she no doubt had to sign with regard to her medical tests I know would have made reference to confidentiality.

To suggest that her private medical records are public property is narrow minded. If she knowingly cheated and that had been proved, not alleged, then after finding her guilty and allowing her to follow the legal process, expose her as a cheat. What is with the hostility to SA if I may ask? I could point to the Europeans who started this public humiliation, or the Australians who have now perpetuated it, but that is not the point surely? The thing is the media here has played 1 of 2 roles?

1. They are foolish pawns being used by athletics bodies or governments to destroy this girl.
2. They are using this girls misfortune to make money.

Those who buy this nonsense and read it are supporting them.
As for the anagram…seriously…? How old are we?

 

Fiona Lawrence

September 11, 2009 at 8:50 am

This article is an absolute disgrace and extremely upset that The Times (A South African paper)can do this and further cause damage to one of their own (A South African). If this is in fact the truth do you not think that this is enough for the poor girl to deal with, without having it splashed across the paper. One of the comments above was to have all of you responsible for this article dragged out into the streets and beaten – this would be a blessing for all of you, because what psychological damage you will have done to this poor girl will have far greater reaching consequences and that is all on your consciences. You are a disgrace to the media industry and I can say that freely has my husband works for another media publication – and I can only hope that they will keep their integrity and take the moral high ground on this story.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

Reinardt Bronkhorst

September 11, 2009 at 8:54 am

Des

I don’t believe that Caster should be allowed to compete if she does not meet the criteria. I don’t think that should even be considered there are rules governing that. Rules that must be respected.

What I do believe is wrong is the public forum in which this girl has been exposed. There are rules governing that too. Surely they should have been respected as well…?

 

David Graham

September 11, 2009 at 9:04 am

Don’t get me wrong…what has happened to the bloke/woman is disgraceful…completely manipulated just the same way as Soviets and East germans were manipulated in the 60′s and 70′s by being given huge doses of testosterone to give them an advantage.

I am with Des, the females should be able to compete with females on a level playing field with no advantage being given to anyone other than hard work and training.

Fiona Lawrence…you lot are giving the rest of the world a bloody good laugh as it is…quite unbelievable but side splittingly funny…must be hard to take to be the current laughing stock…but carry on ..we all Luuuuuurve it, the world needs a few more clowns..parp parp.

Reinhardt…apologies for the name thing…..what you say may be true and correct for a private citizen…but I am afraid that the SA stance and the really ridiculous politikking that has taken place from your country over this..accusing us all of Racism etc…I am as black as the ace of spades and took real offence that me as an individual is being accused of some sort of racsist attitude because I believe that the rest of the women in a race are at a distinct disadvantage when they are trying to catch a man with spikes……..

If perhaps your people there had been more circumspect in the first instance, not been so corrupt and devoid of any sort of morals and ethics, then perhaps those tests pre the games would have shown them that there was a problem medically with the guy……

Sorry mate. we’re all loving it now and so do the journos who were accused of being sacist…it was a sure bet that nothing would stay secrte when there was a way to shove it back up the collective *******’s of the SA’s….

 

Reinardt Bronkhorst

September 11, 2009 at 9:32 am

David

So because politicians and administrators got things wrong and or insulted you or another country, this girls private matters become fair game? That is sick.

That is not fair. But it does illustrate my point. Had the media been worth their salt, they should not have been the mouth pieces for ANY person in this matter. But alas the media has no backbone and will do anything for money and sensationalism. The media has no actual regard for people, with the exception of sources of course.

As for your clear dislike of SA, well one can only wonder as to the reason. But it illustrates the point again of how selfish people have been in this matter. No-one has stopped to consider this girls life! It’s all a good laugh because someone has to swallow their words…? Revenge is not a good quality I would suggest.

 

Precious Mashapa

September 11, 2009 at 9:59 am

Is it realy necessary and what about her career. So what if the medical test got that. I am supporting you and I love you…… Only you and God knows.

 

David Graham

September 11, 2009 at 10:01 am

Reinardt……what is it you dont understand?

Sure its not fair, but you cant have it both ways…you really need to spend some time reviewing the facts and chronology of this matter.
It was not the Media who took this bloke/girl from obscurity as a zero talent runner and turned him/her into a ridiculous world champion in 7 months…no one knocks off 4 seconds per hundred metres and escapes the attention of the media and you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that his/her opponents will not ask questions as to why a ‘woman’ who looks, acts, talks, walks, and runs like a bloke is competing against them and running similar time to Micheal Johnson…..

It was not the media that that gobbed off about how racist the world athletic authority was..it was not the media that accused the europeans of being racist..it was your own tinpot penny h’penny politicians who seem to think that they can still hide behind some twisted political correctness and the rest of the world will say..ah ok SA..thats ok then, they can do what they wanat , we;ll leave them alone..better not upset them by calling them cheats…

The only people who have been selfish in this matter are the coaches, the trainers, and your own politicians…what about your own print media….where are they now….how dumb you are all looking now after your hero’s welcome…politicians couldnt wait…falling over themselves they were to be pictured with the bemuscled one….as for why I am not bthat keen on SA??
I am black, do you think I need a better reason for not enjoying your squirming now?

PMSL

 

Christa

September 11, 2009 at 10:13 am

It’s better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt-@Steve”Bisexual children are being born in the Mpumalanga and especially Limpopo Provinces of SA. This is due to endocrine disrupting chemicals in the water sources.
lol a huge difference being a hemaphrodite and bisexual-lmao@steve and uninformed morons,think before you speak!!!
@Des i agree the exposure was not fair towards Caster,but the onus is on ASA.

 

Reinardt Bronkhorst

September 11, 2009 at 10:23 am

It proves it then.

Your anger, and other peoples bungling is more important than this person. I recall many such attitudes.

In the dark ages, the Catholics felt their religion was more important than peoples lives.

Hitler thought his feeling of superiority were more important than the lives of millions.

Some muslim extremists thought their point was more important than the lives of almost 3000 people.

The world thought having someone do their chores was more important than the freedom of humans resulting in slavery.

It’s always someone else’s fault. And the media are only to happy to jump on the money wagon! After all, nothing sells better than a scandal.

The Proverb as always is correct. Man has dominated man to his injury.

And yes you sure need a better reason than the color of your skin to hate anything. Otherwise, half the world will automatically hate the other!

Good luck with that.

 

Monique

September 11, 2009 at 10:51 am

I really feel it for Caster as this whole situation is so unnecessary. Good call Reinardt Bronkhorst!

 

Greg

September 11, 2009 at 11:46 am

Even though it may be true that Caster Semenya is Hermaphrodite, it will be a parody of justice and a grave criminal misconduct if the IAAF were to strip her of her previous medals.

There is medical evidence that she was oblivious of her condition, and hence all the medals that she received before then are rightfully hers.

THIS IS A NATURALLY OCCURRING CONDITION THAT SHE DID NOT CHOOSE OR ADVOCATE FOR. IN A SAD WAY SHE IS A VICTIM, AND HENCE SHE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED FOR IT IN ANY WAY.

She should still be allowed to compete in professional athletics without any prejudice. The bottom line is that this is not “ARTIFICIAL, OR *** CHANGE STUFF”, SO SHE SHOULD NOT BE PENALISED.

 

amza

September 11, 2009 at 11:58 am

CASTAR IS SUFFERING BECAUSE SHE IS YOUNG BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN WITH GOOD FUTURE ,BUT, SOMEBODY WANT TO DESTROY IT.AUSTRILIANS SHAME ON YOU.YOU BEHAVE LIKE UNCIVILISED COUNTRY WITH NO DIGNITY.

 

Reinardt Bronkhorst

September 11, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Amza

Now you are just being ignorant. She is suffering because for decades now we have espoused the media as the be all and end all of life. An institution to be protected above all else.

Caster is suffering because someone wanted to make money and does not care about her life and because their are enough idiots out there who lap these stories up.

Yes shame on those who broke the story, shame on those who ‘leaked’ information. Shame on those who have used it to their own ends.

But it surely is NOT because she is young, black and successful. If you honestly think that then hook up with David Graham above. You can hate each other till ignorance becomes bliss.

 

Fiona Lawrence

September 11, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Well said Reinhardt !!

 

amza

September 11, 2009 at 12:16 pm

REINARDT
YOU ARE RIGHT

 

amza

September 11, 2009 at 12:25 pm

MAYBE I CAN AGREE WITH YOU REINARDT

 

Vee

September 11, 2009 at 6:49 pm

Beside this tragic dilemma…. I’m white and have no medical resources available…why is it when you are non white that it becomes an issue….

 

Vee

September 11, 2009 at 6:57 pm

Batandwa – sorry sunshine, but you really need to re-assess !!!!

 

karem

September 12, 2009 at 6:35 am

I wonder how much bungling on the part of ASA has contributed to this most unfortunate situation with a life of a young person IMHO in total mayhem. No way is ANY person able to deal with such controversy (and it’s so personal – a victim not of her own making) – psychologically she just cannot be prepared for her current abyss.

While many South Africans now want to vent their absolute disgust and shower a tirade of abuse towards the IAAF – ASA – I would have a very one sided interview with myself if I were you.

Lastly and personally – Caster never did herself any favours with her body language post the race with the (unfortunate) arrogant gesture of brushing off the competition with the hand motions over her shoulders. I took an instant dislike to her. No matter how great the achievement – humility is always THE winner!

 

JSmith

September 12, 2009 at 9:59 pm

A few points here:

1) Building on what des mentions above, in all this out pouring of support to Caster, what about supporting the other hardworking women from other countries who were competing with Caster? Caster’s continued presence in future track and field event puts them all at a disadvantage. All for what ? So that Caster’s dignity to be called a woman and compete with other women be satiated – even though she has internal testes that give her an unfair advantage over others? After that what drug cheats who take testostrone illegally be allowed too, as Caster’s internal testes gives her an advantage why not allow drug cheats who use testostrone to boost performance.

2) If Caster’s results indeed were kept secret and confidential, later people discovered Caster was unable to compete – the truth would have anyway come out. If truth would have been hidden the some of the same cookoos here in light of hidden information would have shouted for Caster’s right to compete with other women, when clearly she has no right given the testes she has internally.

3) She may feel humiliated because of her condition being known to her because of the SOCIETY around her which teaches shame if you dont fit the norm. For centuries ***, lesbians, hermaphrodites et.al. where shamed, ridiculed and even persecuted. No wonder the stigma continues even today. So I say so what if she were a hermaphrodite? Why is there a need to suppress TRUTH. The fault is not with the media – but the prudish society that implicitly assumes being a hermaphrodite is a flaw and a reason to be ashamed.

 

Christa

September 12, 2009 at 11:53 pm

I could’nt agree more, as a registered nurse i saw a hemaphrodite brought up by her parents as a male for 16 years but during puberty she started growing breasts and menstruating,and only then did her parents decide to bring her to the clinic,eventualy He had to become a She through surgery,it was so sad and this poor girl had no say in the matter.

 

Miguelito

September 18, 2009 at 10:22 am

Leeave the girl alone now!

Enough is enough. She is not responsible for an aberation of nature.

 

Bokang

September 23, 2009 at 11:26 am

I jsut think that Caster should receive proper advice and counselling regarding her condition, and the Media should take a break from her personal affairs! However, Chuene and crew should EXPLAIN, they knew all along about this, why place Caster under international humiliation?
SA come on- we are hosting the 2010 Cup and now this???

 

Johan

September 23, 2009 at 12:57 pm

This Semenya saga was unneccesary.ASA should have taken the correct steps not to expose Caster to the world. It is obvious that Caster looks like a boy and we have to wait for the final results. If the Ozzies are correct Caster will be disqualified and we will never see this athlete again. Leonard Chuene should resign and must take the blame for this disaster. Many years ago I worked at a university and I have seen many people with both sexual organs. I am of opinion that a lot of people was unaware of this medical condition. We are never to old to learn.

 

Miguelito

October 1, 2009 at 11:34 am

Leave the girl alone – she is not responsible for her problem.

Enough is enough!

 

Yoran Mogaladi

October 29, 2009 at 1:55 pm

The possibility of being stripped of the medal concerns me far more than does the medical diagnosis. If I compete in oblivion about my elegibility for such competition and come out tops, why should I be penalised for something that I was not aware of. If the poor girl (now ‘rich’ I suppose) had not come out tops, would the same amount of effort by the international observers have been put into satisfying their curiosity about the girl’s gender? If the tournament law embarrasses only winners (also on probable grounds of pigment identity), then it is flawed as losers might just as well be worthy of such investigation. Who knows, maybe by carrying out such investigation on both winners and losers one could arrive at a point where the results are similar, creating no basis for destroying people’s image on the probable basis of prejudice (Yoran Mogaladi, South Africa)



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