Winnie Mandela’s assault on Nelson Mandela is quite astonishing. It was not very long ago that she accompanied him to the opening of Parliament and was pictured holding hands with Graca Machel and smiling.
The assumption was that old wounds had healed.
But yesterday’s Evening Standard published an interview conducted by the wife of VS Naipaul, Nadira Naipaul, which suggested quite the opposite.
Some key quotes:
* “Mandela let us down. He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside.”
* “Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the most affluent ‘white’ area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our blood and where it all started.”
* “Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of appearance.”
* “Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out.”
* “I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel [Peace Prize in 1993] with his jailer [FW] de Klerk. Hand in hand they went.”
Wow. Strong stuff.
The REAL truth at last.I couldnt have said it better myself.
Some truth, but mostly bitter racism.
Strong stuff. I agree. A few glasses of wine does not mix well with interviews. A few G&T’s is a disaster waiting to happen. Winnie could be likened to Manto, but then she made her own name stupid many times and long before Manto. Way past her use-by date.
Poor Winnie what a shame and disgrace to put such a performance maybe you must do yourself a favour by just keep quite and disappear from the public domain as you did in the past.
You know how evil woman you are and capable off. Who killed Stompie Sepei? Where is Sono’s child? Who sent Katiza Cebekhulu to exile (Sierra Leon in that matter)? Poor Richard who died in prison. Who knows maybe you have put one of your horrendous acts to silence him?
Stop playing messiah and face the truth. Nelson Mandela did good than the harm and pain you have caused lot of families.
Is it only now that everyone gets shocked of Dr.N.R.Mandela? Where were you when he was taken to Idutywa & Soweto Stadiums? Why Mandla Mandela paid for making sure that he Grandfather attends the ANC election rallies?What is wrong with what Winnie said? Do you know that Mandela is no longer watching news on TV & no one reads papers for him since the establishment of COPE?
“Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.”
Finally, somebody has told the truth. Desmond Tutu moves around the world making thousands of dollars in speeches. I wonder whether that has a bearing when he speaks out on issues like Zimbabwe.
De Klerk was given a nobel price yet nobody spoke out against it. De Kerk was part and parcel of apatheid govt all days of his life until the thing crumbled. Now you giving him a nobel prize. Maybe Mugabe deserves one too.
The press is still white – so white that even news reports about major issues affecting SA only quote white people/commentators.
Somebody has to speak out -
Winne do yourself a favor and stop using Mandela’s name. Then move on. Oh and you might want to stop drinking.
Its about time, those white racist globally never stop. Same thing in America, African-Americans still locked up out of the economy. Robert Mugabe is catching hell for trying to empower the blacks in Zimbabwe, and the west wants him dead. Nkrumah, Sankara, any black man who has tried to give true power to blacks some house negro has sold us out. The more I study whites actions in Africa, my true home, I realize how evil the white race is. The most hurtful thing for me, is to see Mandelas name next to Cecil Rhodes, a white supreamacist who is the South African Hitler.
Ray, you are very quick to strike the racist comments from white commentators, how about removing the above post. He fits the racist mold, and stupid as well.
Lady Winnie Madikizela-Mandela is correct. She is human enough to demand to know under what ecclesiastical, legal, and/or moral foundation, citation, or law can the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission (SATRC)conclude that after the Nazi American like installed South African Apartheid Peculiar Institution that siphoned off more than 4 Trillion Dollars, caused millions of deaths, illegally seized land; forced the relocation of original owners to non-arable deserted areas; and systematically destroyed the African Family Utility; was all reduced by SATRC to a “Police Brutality Case”? Thanks in part to His Holiness Bishop Desmond Tutu and the Nazi Afrikaans & Western establishment.
Lady Madikizela-Mandela is asking: Is there a Statute of Limitation on Crimes Against Humanity? Are Apartheid and Colonialism a Crime Against Humanity? Why? Because the founders, initiators, and beneficiaries of Apartheid in Southern Africa has not spent one day in jail, nor paid one dollar for their crimes. Thanks to Bishop Tutu and the Afrikaans & Western establishments.
Bishop Tutu what scripture in any religion justifies an apology for intentional War Crimes against helpless people? Warships, cannons, machine guns, chemical warfare, and deceit were used against African bow & arrows and spears in the name of Western progress.
Bishop Tutu recently advocated for the Colonial West make war on Zimbabwe just for regime change; why? I am reminded of an African statesman during Colonial times who stated: “When the White People came to Africa they had the Bible and Africans had the land; now today, Africans have the Bible and White People have the land. Something is fishy.”
The African National Congress are duty bound by the Law of Nature and the Honor of their Ancestors who left the Southern African in Custodial Charge of their land to initiate, after the FIFA World Cup Soccer Series, a Truth and Reconciliation Restitution Court for Corporate Crimes Against Humanity in South Africa.
A blind ignorant fool would have demanded that the least penalty for Apartheid & Colonial victims is a Free Education up to a University, or High-Tech Technical College, or an Agriculture and Building Trade Skill Certification.
In behalf of all Africans who perished in the mines and plantations, those who were relocated to desert locations to live in squalor, and the thousands sold into slavery in the Southern African branch of the European Atlantic Slave Trade, I refer to John MacArthur’s “Grace To You” ministries for a legal but moral opinion.
Grace To You ministries promote very important moral and theological questions that can be applied to former and neo colonial aggressors (EU & US). “Answering the Hard Questions About Forgiveness – But What If There Is Reason To Think That the Offender’s “Repentance” Is a Sham?
‘In normal circumstances, love obliges us to assume the best about those who profess repentance (1 Cor. 13:7). Scripture does suggest, however, that there are certain times when it is legitimate to demand fruits of repentance before assuming that someone’s profession of repentance is genuine (Matt. 3:8; Luke 3:8).’
‘When Is Restitution Appropriate?’
‘Whenever an actual loss has been caused by a wrong, restitution is certainly appropriate. The granting of forgiveness for the guilt of the offense does not automatically nullify the need to make reparations, especially when the injured party’s loss is quantifiable. Whether the loss was caused deliberately (as in a theft) or accidentally (through some form of negligence), restitution should be made.”
‘What Is the Difference Between True Repentance and a Mere Apology?’
‘Genuine repentance always involves a confession of wrongdoing and a willingness to make things right. An apology often takes the form of an excuse.’
‘The word apology comes from the Greek apologia, which literally means “a speech in defense of.” Apologies are often nothing more than self-defense: “I’m sorry if you took offense, but . . .” Genuine repentance is properly expressed in an admission of wrongdoing and a plea for forgiveness: “It was unthoughtful of me to say that. Will you forgive me?”
PS: After 29 years on Robben Island Prison the Hon. Nelson Mandela is entitled to a few major errors. He did not escape that oppression “Scott Free.” Free Southern Africa!
Lloyd Whitefield Butler, Jr. Descendant of Enslaved Landless Africans in America
Harlem, New York City
The above pontificator, and fornicator of the factual, is right now enjoying the America that was stolen lock stock and smokin’ barrel from countless murdered native Americans.
Ask yourself about the statute of limitations on Crimes against Humanity perpetrated by you Americans, in the forging of your ‘great’ country and as recently as the Gulf Wars. Fool.
…and OUR Winnie Mandela is no lady. She is a convicted criminal, post liberation, for fraud. Fool.
Stick with what you know about your own country, because you know too little of anything in ours to make any judgement. Fool.
Winnie Madikizela-Mandela has said something many Africans have wanted to say for a while!
Nelson Mandela, in his desire not to die in jail, settled for the perks that many African leaders who fought to get out of colonial handcuffs, settled for. They merely became powerless rubber-stamps! Like Mandela, those African freedom fighters who survived colonial assassinations signed documents whose contents they neither knew nor understood! They merely settled for personal gratuities and perk, like foundations run by the very people who have their feet on launched the throats of 99.9% of Africans. These fighters and African citizens they had fought to protect are totally excluded from decision making powers associated with sharing of African wealth (THE NATURAL RESOURCES and OTHER ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENTS). The surviving freedom fighters have either forgotten or were threatened to abandon their colleagues and poor Africans who were killed or maimed during struggles. Instead of demanding equities, they have settled for mediocre options; one major option is turning against each other for those mediocre left-over powers they think they have. They are totally excluded from everything and speak only when spoken to. They have absolutely forgotten powerless poor Africans who are still living in the ghettos. Nobody can run a country by forming “A FONDATION” come on!
It is very difficult for any rational African to understand why Mr. Mandela’s Statue is erected at Trafalgar Square in London and why his birthdays have become big events in London while crime in African locations is rising probably as part of African population control incase HIV/AIDS cannot kill the fast enough! What is the significance of that statue in London other than an indication of Britain’s gratitude that Mandela was hoodwinked into signing documents which rubberstamped apartheid policies by merely putting some black faces to it.
Nelson Mandela was left with zero decision making powers except for occasional chiding of fellow African leaders in South Africa or outside it to toe the lines which were laid down by the western corporate power brokers dominating Sub-Saharan Africa resources, most of them are located in South Africa!
It is difficult to understand why anybody would be shocked that Ms. Winnie Madikizela-Mandela was unable to contain herself anymore. As for Desmond Tutu who considers himself “the African Elder”, (no body knows exactly how he became the spokesperson for Africa’s issues), has become a very efficient voice through whom the corporations and those self serving individuals speak about how they want Africans to behave. You know, Africans are to speak only if spoken to according to moralist Mr.Tutu!
A peaceful transition of power occurred through negotiated settlement.
Unfortunately, there are those not satisfied with the pace of theft and mismanagement, who long for the war that never happened; – so that mass theft and pillaging can occur on a grand scale.
There is no consideration for the inevitable total collapse of this country, should such an event have happened or were allowed to still happen. So long as Akech manages to loot that 40inch flatscreen TV that he covets so badly.
I will refer to you as LARY Badfella!
Not everyone is a thief like you, sucker! You must be one of those BOERS with their control feet on the necks of black Africans in South Africa! You must be very afraid that should you take your feet off their necks before killing them, they may turn on you!
Your nonsensical remark
“There is no consideration for the inevitable total collapse of this country, should such an event have happened or were allowed to still happen. So long as Akech manages to loot that 40inch flatscreen TV that he covets so badly.”
Indicates who benefited from that peaceful transition you passionately talk about! It never benefited Black South Africans you contemptuously refer to merely as looters or potential looters! These are the same people who afforded you that peaceful transition, a transition which left them worse off than they were before Mr. Mandela kissed the ground you are walking on by signing the documents which permanently undermined his people!
The peaceful transition did occur, but the power never left your bloody hands! That is why you are afraid that people left out of that peace might loot you bloody store full of 40 inch flat screens! A transition in which you have to constantly worry about your property being looted in is never peaceful!
By the way, your flat screen TV is riddle with programs your people gear towards misinformation!!
I will refer to you as bloody idiot.
Sounds like you are not from South Africa, and that you learned your misinformation from other idiots like Malema. Typical.
Here’s a crash course. When the Europeans arrived on these shores, as they once did on other shores such as Australia and the America’s; there was nothing but pastoral and iron age people.
History and civilisation has since marched on and all these countries, including ours are now successful, wealthy, safe, food producing, and with growing populations growing in wealth and health.
A very different world compared to pre-colonial Africa, I am sure you agree. ???
Unless you missed the boat, power in South Africa was passed on to the black majority who have chosen the ANC to weild this power. Power must be weilded with sensibility and humility. In a sense, apartheid was a sensible transitional period for the building up of the ANC into a political force that would manage to govern a sophisticated country such as ours. The ANC are still struggling with this one.
Mandela came out of prison with many ideas, but he had the benefit of years of wisdom. He gratefully took a valuable asset which belonged to a few, and took it for the black majority to now administer for the benefit of all.
Individually, each of us is free and equal. All may generate what wealth they may, AND serve the country with that wealth by paying taxes and serving communities with skills. Be it farmers or businessmen, be they black, yellow, white or brown.
When 4 million carry the burden of 40 million, we get some of the lazy have-nots, who look at the wealthy with a unhealthy attitude. They see their lack of ownership of wealth, to be the fault of the hardworking and the entrepreneurs and the employers, instead of the politicians who spend massive amounts on useless arms and soccer stadiums.
The people rioting in their shantytowns today are not upset with me, but with the government for not supplying the services they were promised.
Then along comes the bloody idiot who diverts their attention away from where it belongs and points them towards the town and farms populated by a few white shopkeepers and farmers and gives them an avenue for their anger. The recent xenephobia towards non- South African black immigrants, which saw the murder of 60 over a week of madness, is a case in point.
So, you are no longer a bloody idiot.
Mr. .Lary Badfella,
Why would “a supreme being” like you respond to the idiotic ramblings from a being you refer to as ”bloody idiot” , unless there some elements of truth to what I am rambling about!
Whenever one person applies a choke-hold on another and understands the damage s(he) intends to inflict on that person that hold is applied to; if choke-holders then tries his/her best to diverts attention somewhere else to ensure that the screams from this victim is contained within the confines of the location of where choke-hold activity is taking place, that choke-holder action is intended to exert total control the person being choked! The choke–hold I am alluding to is “economic choke-hold”!
You assert that
“When 4 million carry the burden of 40 million, we get some of the lazy have-nots, who look at the wealthy with a unhealthy attitude. They see their lack of ownership of wealth, to be the fault of the hardworking and the entrepreneurs and the employers, instead of the politicians who spend massive amounts on useless arms and soccer stadiums”
(a) You are essentially saying that 90% of South African population is composed of lazy people who have chosen to be poor because of their negative attitude towards wealth! Really?
(b) You are also implying that only 10% of South Africans hold the economic power. I am sure the 10% wealthy individuals did not all of a sudden acquire the wealth after South Africa’s independence in 1994 (16 years)!
(c) You are also insinuating that since date, 1994 the ANC leadership, whose membership includes Mr. Mandela, has made decisions to waste money on useless military equipments and soccer stadiums! For heavens sake, why did the 10% successful business brains who adore Mr. Mandela and are forced to carry the burdens of the lazy 90% people he represents dissuade these misguided ANC politicians from these wasteful spending. Is this not the least you could do for a friend like Nelson Mandela who afforded South Africa a smooth and peaceful transition? I am sure Mr. Mandela who is celebrated beyond the frontiers of South Africa would have listened! Unless the 10% is, deliberately, rooting for the ANC to fail flat on its back and soak its members with mountains of debts that have retarded the developments of all Sub-Saharan African countries! And where do they get money to for these wasteful government expenditures, IMF or World Bank Group? Spending money on military equipments indicates fear for some external forces. It never occurred to me that any African government could pose a threat to South Africa, unless ANC is prepared to use force to silence opposing voices within its members!
I would agree with you that if that 10% of hardworking South African population is being forced to carry the burden of 90% of lazy South Africans by the wasteful and incompetence politicians trying to diverting attention elsewhere, then there is a big problem.. No country can survive if 90% of its population is idle maniacs looking for handouts or are unemployed! Should this be true, why would these xenophobic, lazy black South Africans, 90 % of them, become agitated towards recent non- South African black immigrants? Additionally, how can South Africa afford to accommodate new immigrants on top of the 90% lazy ones on its lap? This point of view is not rational at all. After all, Mr. Nelson Mandela gave up these very violent tactics to afford all South Africans a smooth transition from apartheid to the type of government you have now; unless his smooth transitional partners blind-sided him in signing something he did not understand!!!!
OK, so you are not just a bloody idiot, you are also simply ignorant. This comes from being selective with facts.
So let me inform you of some facts so that we can at least romove your ignorance, and just maybe, you dont have to continue any more as a bloody idiot.
You are not stupid (yet), so therefore I am responding to you. Your ‘elements of truth’ in your original post are not supported by fact.
a) I stated that “some”, not all, of the have-nots have an unhealthy disposition to those that have. LAZY was not the right word, because these criminals, rabble rousers, and gangster politicians work very hard at thieving, politicing, and trouble making in order to skim or steal the wealth of others. The ones who get fleeced foremost and the most are the already poor and downtrodden.
b) Economic power is correctly held by those who are in business. The biggest business and biggest employer in South Africa is the government, run by the ruling party ANC. The government therefore, and by virtue of its economic policy base, wields a large portion of economic power by legislation of all business. The rest of us in the private sector make up the balance, and supply employment, stability, necessary skills etc. What is your beef? If you are implying that only whites are wealthy (16 years from democratic emancipation) then you are ignorant of the facts. There are more wealthy black South Africans in SA than white South Africans. The poor black people, of which 17 million are the rural poor, are in the majority purely by their vast number.
c) You hit the nail on the head. Now you will be enlightened.
Economic power does not have one jot of an influence over political power. A vast majority of the poor support the ANC who hold political power. The POLITICAL ELITE use their political power to divert billions from the fiscus into fruitless expenditure which lines their pockets, and provide economic power to themselves, ar the expense of the poor. YES. Billions were spent on massive ship and submarine contracts, which submarines cannot even be commissioned and used due to lack of qualified personell. The amount was in the region of 60 Billion Rand.
We have just spent upward of 30 Billion on infrastructure for the World Cup. While some of this infrastructure such as road and freeway improvements will be well used into the future, most will sit idle forevermore after the event. Considering we have massive problems with our healthcare and education infrastructure, along with insurmountable welfare needs, these massive expenditures are definately not a priority. The real theft is occurring quietly and behind the scenes as government hands out supply contracts to a select few at inflated prices for shoddy housing and roadworks, and the like. The politicians get patronage and power from this process. Community leaders are enriched and pay back by organising the community to vote accordingly come election time. Otherwise they sit and wait for the promised better life.
Where do they get this money for all this wasteful expenditure? You ask?
From the tax base you bloody idiot. Who pays the taxes? The wealthy and the viable business economy. Who gets the money? The elite cabal of black tenderpreneurs. Who doesn’t get it? The poor and needy, – well they get a trickle.
The white people of this country have no power. Many have wealth and businesses from the previous dispensation but this serves to maintain our overall economic prosperity. If it were all shared out, all would be rich for a month, and then all would be desperately poor again with absolutely nothing in the pot for anyone. Even our ANC is not that stupid, and know how the bread is buttered.
Yes, we agree. This country is in big trouble.
Mr. Akech 8 …….. Mr. Goodfella 0 !!!!
and why do you webmasters make these “capcha’s” so damn awful hard to read???ct pc
Winne knows the truth, no wonder why they sideline her.The media hates herUNLIKE the sainted Mandela, If you want to know the real Mandel go ask EVELYN MASE. the world worships this guy too much, it crushes Winne for rescuing those who dont realise that he is JUST a MAN and has weaknesses.