SBW

Good riddance!

Larry Goodfella

You mean she has been re-deployed. Thank you.

Now we will have to put up with the nausiating drivel of a state funeral, and the pathetic lies that will lift her to sainthood.

francois

Good riddance, stolen liver and all. She was the most useless government minister this country ever saw, and caused unnecessary harm to millions of people.

dirty harry

So much so for olives and beetroot. What will they do now, balm her in beetroot and olive oil and mummify her as a fine example of how not to die. She was a disgrace to society, and caused untold harm to the needy.

jpbarnard

Her Aids record is only the tip of the iceberg of harm that she is responsible for. She inherited a 1stworld medical system capable of heart transplants etc, and ground it into the earth. Even if she had a responsible aids agenda the pathetic hospital system – here where we are- can only give reto virals to about to die patients who are then sent home . Now her partners in crime want to destroy the private hospital system as well.
If this was not for real I would imagine myself and all the rest of us to be players in a monumental Kafka play.
Our quality doctors are tending sick people everywhere but here in South Africa for which her heavy and incompetent hand is responsible.

David

Will what’s left of the emergency services be able to cope if she is cremated.

Eli Jikelele

You have said it all … now wait for the ANC apologists and spin doctors to provide the alternative version of the truth!!!

Davey

When will the ANC and it’s cronies learn that struggle credentials are not a whitewash for their wrongdoings? The woman was incompetent, misguided and arrogant. There are many in power that we could say the same for, past and present. What is inexcusable was Manto’s toeing the “Supreme Leader’s” denialist line in the interest of party politics and to the detriment of at least 300 000 innocent lives (of the very people SHE fought to liberate!). How twisted is that? She has already been judged by international media and commentators – check for yourselves. They don’t have to mince their words for fear of reprisals and accusations of racism. Put that in your pipe, Mr Mbeki, and smoke it! This will be your legacy too unless you admit to your terrible mistakes before the Grim Reaper arrives. We are led to believe Manto wanted to repent on her deathbed but left it too late…. Pity – perhaps she would have been remembered for other achievements.

Michael Geiger

Not meaning to bring up what may yet be for you, dear Ray, a sore subject, but I would like to share with you a a very important aspect regarding the recently passed Health Minister of South Africa, Manto.

The masses, due even to your own reporting on the issue, often yet wonder “what made Manto do it. What made her unravel on HIV/AIDS?”

I would like to share with you a somewhat recent interview with Dr. Luc Montagnier. Dr. Montagnier received the Nobel prize one year ago for his discovery of HIV. I beg that you will take just a moment of your time to hear this very brief message from Luc Montagnier himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4

In this very recent video, we clearly hear the discoverer of HIV tell us EXACTLY what Manto herself said about hiv. That a good immune system can rid itself of hiv and is not susceptible to AIDS. That nutrition and clean water are primary to health in those at risk. We find in this interview with Luc, that Manto and Thabo are vindicated by the discoverer of hiv, Luc Montagnier himself.

When Mbeki called for the coming together of all scientists on all sides of the hiv debate, Manto was as cold as ice toward the dissident scientists, UNTIL she looked for herself at all of the data. Manto personally attended every meeting and personally read every study. What she found astounded her. She found that the HIV tests are nonspecific and can show as false positive for nearly seventy conditions that have nothing to do with HIV. She found there is NO WAY to verify anyone has HIV. She found there is NO EVIDENCE with any reasonable degree of proof, that shows that even if hiv is present, that it could possibly be the cause of AIDS. She found the aids drugs, particularly AZT, to be deadly toxic. She found that NONE of the aids drugs had ever been tested against placebo, and that all were fast-tracked through the American fda by the drug companies. She found the orthodoxy of hiv beliefs could not support any of their claims.

Yes, she was cold as ice to the dissidents UNTIL she herself read all of those studies and attended all of those meetings. After the meetings were finished, she found herself dancing the pata pata with the dissident side. But as the public itself was still entranced by belief in hiv as the culprit, she found herself on the outside of popular belief, and found herself to be demonized by all those who had not and would not look at the actual research and studies as she herself and as Thabo himself had done.

Fools that men are, we the living fail to understand that history is written in the future. Again and again history all too often shows that what were once popular beliefs or even delusions were wrong, and that those who pointed such out such wrongs while the delusions were active were all demonized at the time, then later canonized and made heros by future historians for what they had done to try to wake up the very masses who rejected them. This will again be the case when history books are written about this issue in our collective future. The masses were wrong and deluded once again. HIV is not, was not, and could not be the cause of aids, and eventually history will vindicate the dissidents, and make even greater heros of Manto and Thabo. Those who are not so easily deluded or overtaken by their own fears and paranoias, and who have been free of bias who have personally studied the issue and the science have been speaking out on this for 20 years. Manto and Thabo are indeed greater heros than the current generations who demonize them could ever believe. They did their very best to wake the world up to this, and the world did nothing but demonize them in return.

Larry Goodfella

@Michael Geiger

Taking the road less travelled is most admirable. When this road that you have chosen ends at the edge of a precipice, most brave souls will see the error in their ways and turn back rather than suffer the humiliation of persisting on the wrong path.
Some, however, will prefer to insist that the path before them is open, rather than admit their mistake, and proceed down the dangerous cliff face – to the inevitable nothing.

In the case of your stance on HIV AIDS, as shared by ex-president Mbeki and his number one tea-lady the late (unfortunately too late) Minister of Health Manto; the debate is over.

Just answer the following. Hundreds of thousands died without ARV’s and now hundreds of thousands are being saved by these drugs. CD4 counts are down below 200 in the desperately ill, and then just miraculously begin to improve after ARV medication. What do you make of that?

There is now ample and sufficient scientific medical proof that HIV may lead to AIDS and death. To dispute this is akin to being a menace to society. But then history is replete with more crackpots than heroes. Only we dont venerate the crackpots. We banish them to the rubbish bin where they belong.

kofi dickson

There is no study, no study that is randomised,double blind,placebo controlled, that proves arv`s work, that is as antiretrovirals. The only medical proof there is, is an association between testing +ve and dev of aids. There is however no scientific proof absolutely nothing that hiv exists and was isolated by Robert Gallo or his french colleagues. Science fiction………