Jon

Well, he’s an “oppressed wekkah” at half a mill per annum…

Yeah, right!

andrew

1/2 a bar for talking cr*p????

malenema must be on 10 bar p/a!!!

AngelHeart

This coming from someone who, despite hating capitalism, truly capitalises on it’s ability to provide.

Nice one, Mr Vavi. -100 for intelligent decision making.

Marc

Ray – I disagree…

Yes the increase is extreme given his rhetoric but with due respect – R41k a month salary for the head of one of the biggest labour unions in SA.

That’s not extreme in any sense and in fact I would think that labour should be going out of its way to secure the best quality people around.

Look at the German labour movement – they are powerful and they contribute meaningfully to economic development in the region because their labour movements have the best quality people in their mix.

Vavi may get on his soapbox and encourage a bit of fire and brimstone but he is also a strong player in the labour sector.

COSATU have plenty of faults but their head honcho getting a decent salary is not one of them.

Eli Jikelele

ANC …. a true home for the criminally incapable and corrupt. Together we can do more….. HARM!!!

Larry Goodfella

Marc, you are a fishcake.

The German labour movement is viable because they have less than 8% unemployment, so they represent workers as a meaningful percentage of the population. There is balance.

The SA labour movement has less than a million members in a job market that excludes as much as 35% of would-be workers who remain unemployed. Cosatu and Vavi acts and thinks as if they were elected to govern by a majority. What Cosatu does is ensure limited capacity for new jobs to keep only their own members employed at a greater rate than their market value. The rest can starve and simmer.

Yash

I am not a Cosatu supporter; however I do believe that as a leader of an inportant organistaion with millions of members, he deserves every cent. Well done.

Unlike Blade Nzimande the Rich Communist who is trying to plunge the country into a morass of ignorance.

BRIAN

THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE HISTORY OF COMMUNISM WILL KNOW THAT ISSUES SUCH AS VAVI’S INCREASE ARE THE ORDER OF THE DAY . WE ARE COMRADES IN STRUGGLE AND BECOME CAPITALISTS WHEN WE ARE IN POWER . THE POLITICAL ELITE SUCCEED WHILE WE THE MAJORITY SUFFER . COPE FAILED BUT I CAN PROMISE THE ANC AND ITS ALLIANCE PARTNERS THAT A TIME IS COMING WHEN THE ELECTORATE WILL APPLY THEIR MINDS DURING ELECTIONS AND NOT VOTE BASED ON HISTORY.

Zanu PF / Mawumawu / Kanu 4 life

500 K per Annum is F#kol, I don’t know why people are jumping up and down for these peanuts.

Billy Hill

That one may choose to regard Vavi as hypocrite, does not detract from the facts of his message though.

Billy Hill

By the way Ray, should the clear prejudice you display against the African National Congress, not only in your personal opinions but also as the editor of The Times, be interpreted as an abuse of your authority?

Larry Goodfella

Billy Hill,

There is nothing wrong with prejudice excepting in a racial context.
The right to choose a better option, and to have an opinion in that regard, is the hallmark of freedom which communism cannot abide.

The lack of prejudice and free choice where only the brother leader chooses for you, is the reason why communism defaults to failure every time and in every instance of its existence wherever it is practiced.

Billy Hill

When the editor of The Times who determines editorial policy and what articles to publish, chooses what headlines the entire nation needs to see, and exercises his own personal prejudice in that function, that is most certainly not OK, hence my question.

Oh and what on earth has any of my previous comment got to do with communism?

Larry Goodfella

Well Billy, should the Times editorial policy and decision making on content and headlines be relegated to a government committee, in order to ensure that no editorial ‘prejudice’ against the ANC is entertained. Perhaps they should fall under the authority of the equivalent of the SABC board.

See the link to communism and the curtailing of freedom?

The ANC should have a fair share of brickbats and accolades from the free press. That they enjoy very few accolades is not due to any undue prejudice, but rather that they do nothing to deserve anything but constant derision.

Billy Hill

You miss the point entirely Larry. It’s not about freedom of the press, but about editorial integrity, which is not limited to the right to choose what to publish.

There’s a difference between reporting and using a negative bias in ones choice of words used to report. The latter amounts to opinion forming which is not consistent with the overall purpose of a “newspaper”. That, falls into the arena of propaganda.

Nosinathi Khanyile

@ Billy Hill,

larry will constantly miss the point, for as long as you preach the gospel of justice for all and unbiased media reporting particulary when it comes to the ANC. He can at least listen to you when you are in COPE or DA’s defence.

Larry Goodfella

AAAAAHHHhhhhhhh, Fishcake.

Billy, the ANC and is alliance partners has got its apologists. Sorry that you cannot find any in the mainstream print media. You should ask yourself why. Perhaps the farcical nature of our current ANC government is too much to bear, and the standard pander and niceties are running a bit thin.

As the ANC collapses inward, all integrity disappears from civil institutions. When the ****** is hysterical, only a biatchslap will do.

Billy Hill

How is any of that diatribe of yours got anything to do with my argument Larry? Got a bit a barbie this morning?

Larry Goodfella

You have no argument Billy. You can complain all you like and accuse Ray of a lack of editorial integrity and propaganda pushing and me of diatribe, but this is just because The message does not fit in with your politics. State your case and state your position. What are you?

Oh, and the fishcake barb is aimed at the Nkosipompano faakface who cannot even spell his own name. He always jumps in when someone tries to have a go at me, as he alone has nothing to offer but an ‘impi’ lets het Larry mentality. A tick on my sleeve.

Liz MacLeod

Larry, good to see you’re still slapping social slugs around. Funny how the old bat spells his name wrong but thinks it’s *still* about ‘defending’ political parties. How are you?

I was wondering, Nkosinathi, without making some lewd comment (I know it’s difficult, but try, I have faith in you) – isn’t the whole idea to help the country? Or is infighting more important to you, regardless of your political affiliation.

Billy Hill, how about answering Larry’s question.

chica

Billy Hill

LMAO Liz, the question being “What are you”?

Going hopelessly of topic is a tactic of those usually with no idea of how to continue the discussion. So Liz resorts to attempts to ridicule and Larry attempts to insult Nosinathi.

Nosinathi is quite a common first name for South Africans males by the way, just for the edification of both of y’all. But then don’t worry, I understand, you’re both so out of touch with the majority of South Africans that there’s no way for you to know that.

Larry Goodfella

Billy, my assumption was that you are a raving commie and Cosatu supporter. Why else would you pout and lip-wobble about Rays negative ANC ‘diatribe’?

NKosinati Khanyile (with a k) is a common garden variety slug on these blogs. We know how to spell his name and we know how to deal with his nonsonso.

Lizzy, good to hear from you. Hope you are well and happy.

Liz MacLeod

It was in fact freedom of the press vs editorial integrity I had wanted to discuss here, Mr Hill. The asking of your stance was simply a side order of interest. Your answer gave me enough though, thank you.

As for Nkosinathi Kanyile, the man can spar for himself.

chica

Nosinathi Khanyile

Here comes this cheap health worker / peasant called “Lazy Missloud” again. Please don’t type anything particularly when you are bored and honie.I notice you make no attempt to counter Billy’s argument, all you are doing is to analyse useless things like missing K. You will never govern this country if you carry on with your lousy mentality.

Liz MacLeod

Who wants to govern a country where the elders care only for themselves?

Read what I wrote

Skodide Goodfella

BRIAN,
Just tell us, where are the electorate you speak of, going to get the minds you would like them to use????? There are very few brains around so I can just surmise that there are even fewer minds??

Skodide Goodfella

HEY LIZ CHICA,
I suddenly realized that you are still with us, or is it that I have been “absent” for so long that I am out of date. Hope all is well with you. Did you ever speak to the ‘cheese Tannie’ about my search for Frieda [nee] Saaiman of Brandfort District????

russell

Ever noticed how the so called communists or Marxists live so well in a capitalist country and how few of them have emigrated…. to Cuba for instance?

Liz MacLeod

Skodide!

I spoke to her daughter, who said that they’ll definitely look into it but they probably think I’m overseas now.. will try again for you.

Hope you’re happy ‘n healthy

Eli Jikelele

Hey Skodide…. long time since we heard from you. Hope you are well.

Seldom respond to the crapiola generated by Nkosinaartjie, a.k.a. Ars.ehole 4 Life. He still has the ability to take any debate to the lowest possible level.

Hill Billy seems quite impressed with this specimen who on these blog site called another black man a “kaffir”.

Liz MacLeod

He is pretty quiet, yes. But then again, “Nosinathi is quite a common first name for South Africans males”. Suppose ek’s op my plek gesit nou.

Damn, here I’m being lazy, not contributing to the discussion again.

Russel, why would communists in SA not actually move to places like Cuba? I’m thinking it’s because they would have to find a new fodder to take advantage of, here it’s built in (apparently Apartheid’s fault).

Brian?

Skodide Goodfella

Well in our country we have ‘new-life’ commies, which translated actually means; we are seperating ourselves from the rest of the population in order to show the real commies who helped in the “struggle” that we remember them’. Oh and also to give any ruling party something to do, by arse-creeping to get our votes.
Chica liz, thanks. Yes I am healthy but living alone has it’s challenges, or should that be problems [with referance to the 'new' meaning of the word problem being tanslated to "challenge" for the sake of the feeble-minded], so I cannot say I am really happy.