Comments on: Race and crime do not go hand in hand

By: Black Coffee

Black Coffee — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:36:08 +0000

Why we are white refugees – aka Lara, it’s because no one in the real world outside of the racist, lying zasucks.com and the iluvsa.blogspot.com that gloats in negativity wants to pay attention to your racist drivel. Tell the family of Lucky Dube that blacks are not victimized as much as whites or more.

By: Why We Are White Refugees

Why We Are White Refugees — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:08:58 +0000

Why do none of the mainstream media report on the debunking of this myth, that blacks are more prone to be victims of crime; when the statistics show that the highest at risk group in South Africa and the world, for murder are South african White farmers, at 300 per 100,000. Blacks in SA don’t come remotely close to those stats…

Consider the Politico report, 142 Academics Get It Wrong on crime, copy here: http://why-we-are-white-refuge.....heres.html

So, whats going on? Is it so difficult to be impartial?

By: Eli Jikelele

Eli Jikelele — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:24:50 +0000

I see my old friend Larry is back to his normal reasoned critique and has left his paranoid alter ego where it belongs.

Our criminal statistics have been grossly distorted by ANC politicians and their lapdog cadres … just as our unemployment and illegal alien figures have been fudged. Telling the truth and ethical behaviour have not been the hallmarks of ANC politicians.

By: Larry Goodfella

Larry Goodfella — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:48:45 +0000

Sure BC. You are my hero.

There are very few white people in SA who feel comfortable moving in and out of (predominantly) black suburban areas of our cities, because the risk is unfortunately too great that they might end up falling prey to the out of control and brazen criminal element, whose ears prick at the sight of a whitey the way a cat zooms in on a mouse. No different to what happens in the black neighborhoods of your Washington DC, no doubt.

Unfortunately, crime stats against whites would be much higher if us whites were truly colour blind, and, and but, would average out if the black criminal element were colour blind as well. No such luck.

Amy Biel made your papers big time, and ours as well. What did not make your papers, or ours, was the tens of thousands of blacks who were preyed upon by other blacks around the same time of her murder by racists.

Our crime stats are still under wraps, and even we do not believe a word that comes out of the mouths of our filthy politicians. Eli will agree. It is likely that our murder rate is double that which it is presumed to be.

Since you have some of your own stats at your finger tips about the murder rate in Wash.DC, can you enlighten us as to which of the general ethnic groups is doing the most murdering?

By: Black Coffee

Black Coffee — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:22:03 +0000

Larry – I do not deal in what ifs. I got mugged once in a particularly rough part of Johannesburg – Hoek Street near the Noord Street taxi rank. It is a stone’s throw from Johannesburg’s Park Station which when I was there was well-patrolled by police and security. Unfortunately, they did not patrol Hoek Street, and after my mugging some black friends of mine told me I had walked right into where muggers prowl. The same can happen in many neighborhoods of US cities, though it has never happened to me. But one can read about it in American papers all the time. I was for most part unescorted, and for the last 4 months I felt comfortable enough with Soweto to go in there on board taxis unescorted, including deep into an area called Chiawelo.
On statistics – I am aware there was a moratorium at one time, but I thought the SAPS now releases crime stats once a year. Please correct me if that is not correct. I also understand the SAPS may fudge stats to make crime look better than situation actually is, but the murder rate does show a decline from 1994 to now from about 67/100,000 to about 38/100,000. While the latter figure is still much higher than US overall, and higher than it should be, it is about the same murder rate as in Washington, DC – the capital of US.

By: Larry Goodfella

Larry Goodfella — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:39:06 +0000

Nowhere have I made such a statement that ‘whites…suffer the brunt of the criminal onslaught in this country…’, Eli – and I remind you that if I am angry, it is because I care about my country and all its people.

I am redirecting the blame for crime away from whites to where it belongs. As to which group is the bigger victim of crime, we all are. Except, of course those crimes which are racially motivated, unless you propose that these do not exist.

I am deeply disappointed in you Eli as you generally have a clear and balanced head on your shoulders, by what you write in these blogs.

To accuse a person of racism is in itself a crime, since none of us have a clear handle on what constitutes racism. An accusation of racism, does not invalidate the accused’s right to his or her opinion on matters around race and ethnic shortcomings or the opposite. Take a moment of introspection, lest I start making apologies for your inabilities on behalf of my country.

Your blackness does not automatically make you right on these matters. The statistics I offered are not ‘figments of my imagination.’ They just make you angry, and hence your unreasoned response.

By: Eli Jikelele

Eli Jikelele — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:39:24 +0000

@Black Coffee:

I apologise to you for the cr.ap that is being spewed forth by my very angry countryman, Larry. I thought your comments were balanced and the bias insinuated by Larry are simply figments of his own imagination. The only arrogant prick on these blog sites at the moment is Larry “Goodfellow” himself.

Larry and I agree on many topics but from time to time we cross swords for his racist language and intolerant behaviour. He is a big supporter of the official opposition party, the Democratic Alliance, but I have warned him before that his racist views do not win his party any fresh support from Blacks like me. Without Black support his party will always be nothing more than a small irritation to the ANC giant.

The simple truth is that the majority of crime is directed at the black majority by the criminal element which includes mostly white executives guilty of massive price fixing of foodstuffs, mostly black corrupt politicians who fix tenders for family and cronies, gangsters who routinely rob, rape and murder innocent law-abiding citizens.

For whites to claim that they suffer the brunt of the criminal onslaught in this country is ludicrous.

By: Larry Goodfella

Larry Goodfella — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:02:19 +0000

BC – I also see that you had an authentic ‘mugging’ experience to take home and gush about with your varsity buddies.
Tell me, as you conducted your stint doing doctoral research, were you guided around in a group with other Safricans. If not, then you are lucky to be alive, and that is no exageration.

What if your mugging ended with you having a knife pushed into your chest. Would your death be an exageration on some blogsite?

BTW, I have never gone on that zasucks site because I love my country.

Just dont come here and pontificate from your clean and safe American lifestyle on things that you do not know sufficiently about. Our political bosses have place a moratorium on our crime statistics because they are deemed so bad as to chase away investment. To them, looking good to people like you is more important than addressing our crime problems. Your naivette helps them do a better job of not fixing this countries social ills.

By: Black Coffee

Black Coffee — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:19:06 +0000

Larry – did you miss the part where I said I spent six months in South Africa? I was not on tour buses and I did not purchase a car. I got around by minibus taxi and 99% of time was the only white to do so. I was there for doctoral research not as a tourist. I never said that SA is as safe as US and I know what statistics show. I also know there are many blogs and sites on Internet which exaggerate the crime in South Africa and make it sound like it is all at same levels in all areas of all cities and towns. Nothing could be further from the truth.

By: Larry Goodfella

Larry Goodfella — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:10:24 +0000

Homicide trends in the U.S.
Trends by race
Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders
In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.
To view data, click on the chart.

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For more information about racial patterns in violent victimization
see Key Facts at a Glance.

In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites
To view data, click on the chart.

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Taken from website – US DEPT OF JUSTICE, BUREAU OF JUSTICE STATISTICS 2005