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NEWS that Canada has granted a white South African refugee status because his life is in danger at the hands of his black countrymen is shocking and saddening.
It says more about Canadian perceptions than South African reality.
The truth is that the overwhelming majority of crime victims in this country are black and many of the perpetrators are white.
But such perceptions cannot just be wished away, they must be actively neutralised by every South African that is proud of their country.
It is time that we stopped giving importance to the racial identity of the victims and the perpetrators of crimes.
This is not as easy as it sounds and there are some cases which are easier to report on without the race tag than others.
It goes without saying that the racially motivated murder-spree that hit the community of Skierlik would be impossible to report without mentioning racial identity.
There could be no denying that the accused deliberately sought out and killed black South Africans, leaving whites that he encountered on the way unscathed.
But racially motivated crimes of this nature are in the minority. Most crimes are committed for immediate material gain or as part of larger organised crime networks.
The racial identity of a victim or a perpetrator is not the most important fact when armed robberies, murders or hijackings are reported.
We should not flinch from reporting on crime as this is a major social problem facing the nation.
But the focus of such reporting ought to be on the crime itself and how the criminals might be brought to book by the authorities — not on the race of the perpetrators and victims.
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Australia won’t allow extradiction to SA either – the excuse being Aids in our prisons is a death sentence.
The truth is the rest of the world knows the ANC is on a genocide against whites (farm murders the start).
Larry. You are so much more interesting when you actually make an argument …
Larry I could not have said it better. It was Hitler who said that if you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough it becomes the truth.
Shame on you Ray!
I should be ashamed for not blaming crime on black racism?? Andre, you should be ashamed.
Careful Ray. We dont want to blame blacks for anything. They are pure as the driven snow and we know where the fault lies….
There is no causal link between being black and committing crime is what Ray seems to be saying, which I agree with. It’s the particularly skewed social circumstances that have faced the black population historically that must shoulder some responsibility. Certain patterns of behaviour have become cultural, and that’s the worry. It’s like the boundaries of what’s acceptable have stretched so far that to an outsider it’s absolutely horrific. What irks me is the perception that racially motivated crimes are somehow more heinous than crimes of any other sort. So gang rape, torture of the cruellest kind and the everyday occurences of almost casual brutality in SA don’t really matter, but let there be a hint of something of a racial nature, and it’s headlines all the way. Black society is in a bad way that’s for sure, and it’s time it started to accept responsibility for this. And as for the Gucci Comrades, that’s a bit of a laugh, isn’t it? And my recent experience with certain black businessmen leaves a lot to be desired – for whatever reason, I’ve been let down by the outright dishonesty they displayed. On the other hand, I’ve connected with other black clients in a real way because they’ve displayed remarkable loyalty and honesty. The situation is not one dimensional, no easy answers.
You would say it much better, Ray, without your head firmly planted in the sand, blinded by the compulsion for political correctness – (an oxymoron if there ever was one.)
Last year, South African Black Africans were murdering non-South African Black Africans in a race war conveniently called ‘xenophobia’, better suited to clinically describe a psychological condition.
In 1948 (thereabouts), the conveniently called ‘Indian riots’ saw the wholesale racial murder of hundreds of South African Asian people in Natal, by Blacks because why?????
The way things are going, it will not be long before organised mass murder sprees are again afflicting this country. Who will be the perpetrators and who will be the next victims?
Andrew, you are of course right. It is the media who find the stories of ‘a racial nature, and its headlines all the way.’
…and we all become racially charged, and racist attitudes become hardened.
Thanks Ray.
The Canadian asylum authorities can at least look at the evidence objectively without rose-tinted glasses, and they found a compelling reason to their decision. They have no motive either way. The facts dont lie.
Larry, you are allergic to facts. The fact is that most victims of crime are black. It follows that most crimes are not racially motivated, except in the volkstaat in your head.
The problem Ray is that in this country race is a sensitive issue. I wish to highlight that crime has no race it affects everyone the same. The same pain of losing a loved one from a murder hurts the same whether you are black or white. i didn’t read your article as a defence to black or white criminals but an angle to question the Canadian authorities decision on the matter.
Having said that as a black person I have been a victim of crime many times. I didn’t blame any white person or the government but the scoiety where these criminals are groomed. A society where crime pays. A society infested with drugs,alcohol,lack of recreation etc. I came to a conclusion that if i mentor at least one young man to be somebody without crime I would have made my contribution towards a better society. Fancy alarm systems and firearms dont’t curb crime but reaching out to people and helping them realise that life with no crime is possible and is the life to be desired for all.
You misunderstand me Ray. I am not as hung up on race as you expect me to be.
That most victims of crime are black, is not due to ‘many’ white perpetrators of crime, as you alluded to in your story.
My point is that blacks have a huge predeliction to crime, especially of the violent life-ending kind. Both black and white victims abound in huge numbers. Most are black, of course, because of the population dynamics.
There are also very many racially motivated violent crimes against whites, which are just conveniently lumped with in general crime wave that is destroying this country and its standing in the world.
Any civilised country should give asylum to those trying to escape. We do it for other African nations refugees. What’s the problem with Canada?
Larry, it is wrong to state that “blacks have a huge predeliction to crime, especially the violent life-ending kind”. This is just racist garbage. Whites also commit gruesome violent crimes. Do you want a list of them?
Not everybody sees us through the same eyes. We can look at his motivation and justify his and the Canadians reaction quite easily. The truth is one in twernty whites experience violent crime. One in a hundred blacks experience violent crime. Seems odds are a bit against the whites. Full “different view” at my blog
In one swooping statement the ANC vindicated Huntley and the Canadians. I am in a dice with death, I’m just not sure who will get me first, my disease or the criminals who invade our homes. I find the rhetoric of Malema, Myani, Hlope others like them particularly disturbing, imagine the feelings of someone with their lives ahead of them. I can only imagine how the stories eminating from SA must make them feel.
I remember, about 4 years ago, I was in Toronto and they had what seemed like a gangland murder. It was front page news for days.
Visiting business associates from Canada never seize to remark on our crime levels.
Ray, it is only wrong to make such a statement that “…blacks have a huge predeliction to crime, especially the violent life-ending kind”, if you subscribe to pol-correct notion that blacks may not suffer any criticism.
This is the problem. We are faced with the choice to either be non-racist by denying ourselves the right to say BOO to blacks and black society, and freely beat ourselves up, and other whites who dare; or the choice of being labeled racist if we fail to look upon blacks as anything but a poor unfortunate oppressed people, whose societal problems are solely a result of our (white) existence.
Please do give me a list of whites who commit violent crimes. But be good enough and honest enough as well to give us a list of blacks who do violent crime. There are not enough hours in the day to compile such a list. In fact, just write to the Dept of Correctional Facilities for a comprehensive breakdown of our white and black prison population and their reasons for incarceration. While you are about it, use your ‘reporter’ capacity to enquire with Agriforum for a list of names and dates of murdered farmers over the last fifteen years.
You are seriously deluded.
One in Twemty whites and indians have been subjected to violent crime. One in a hundred blacks have been subjected to violent crime.
Wow. So there’s less theft from the poor. Astounding observation.
Gees, people are so obsessed with colour.Some of them are turning colour blind,racism will never end in South Africa, I have accepted that & such things as this one happening now are not surprising.Chris Rock once said that there is nothing disgusting than a black person being shocked by racism,crime is everywhere for God’s sake,it’s just that most crimes that occur in the black communities are not reported by the Media because most journalists work close to the surburbs.It seems like this days there are only 2 colours in SA,black & white.What’s happening here in SA is pathetic
Two observations on the Ray/Larry debate:
1. I agree with only part of Larry’s gripe that the article is not very balanced and does smell a bit of political correctness.
2. Larry’s anger again shows up his racist slip.
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My take on the crime situation in South Africa is quite simple. More blacks than whites are suffering from excessive levels of crime by mostly heavily armed black males. Whether this is political or not depends on who you speak to. Any criminal with means (transport, guns, infrastructure, etc) will also target affluent areas. In South Africa that means mostly white residents because they own the most material wealth not simply because they are white.
The root cause is that we have a corrupt, incompetent government who is soft on crime only because they do not really know how to deal with it. There is not a single ANC cadre who has shown any of the qualities needed to tackle our exploding crime problem. The top leadership all talk a good game but there has not been a political will to tackle crime since the 1994 elections.
Criminals have been taking their cue from the lawlessness of our political masters. Like the Nats, the ANC truly believe that “Might is Right”. The first crop of politicians appointed after the 1994 elections quickly learnt what they had been missing out on during the struggle and quickly adopted the dirty self-enrichment behaviours of their former oppressors. Many of the modern day political leaders have not even contributed a stitch during the struggle but quite happily live according to the often-quoted credo of “ we didn’t participate in the struggle to be poor.”
Who must we blame when our political leaders have been advocating race differences, intolerance and retribution against whites. Canada’s view on Huntley is a poor reflection on the ANC regime. My only complaint with Canada’s position is that they should widen the refugee status for fleeing South Africans to include Indian, Coloured and Black refugees fleeing from the violence allowed by the ANC government.
ANC always play the race card. To me they are the biggest racists around. Good luck to Brandon Huntley he’ll never have to worry about racism again.
Eli and Ray,
I am in a better position than Ray because I do not have to moderate my views as he may feel is necessary of his title and employment.
To pronounce on my being ‘racist’, is to presume to know me. You are both welcome to disagree with me but to use the ‘racist’ label to justify your oppositional viewpoints, is sad and sadly as common as murder in this country.
My belief that black South Africans and black society have a ‘predeliction to murder’ is supported by overwhelming evidence. I have embarked on a long-time study and collection of newsclippings relating to muti murders and witch murders. These are the extreme events which are very common. It is an incredible list involving many thousands of deaths, – of black people.
The ‘predeliction’ is far more pervasive than we can imagine, and it simmers in seemingly ordinary people, not far below the surface. Remember the ‘necklacing’ and recent ‘xenephobic’ attacks. Genocides in Africa are not the organised military precision of the Holocaust – they are community based.
One of my ‘racist’ observations is that it is taboo to bring up this subject. It seems that dismembered children and old burnt up gogo’s is just a rural anomoly – out of sight and out of mind. To question this very common practice is to question the culture and tradition of black societies, and we all know how utterly ‘racist’ that is.
Eli, I am angry because I care. Is saddens me that even you cannot empathise sufficiently to sift through the ‘race’ clutter to find the truthful state of affairs of African society in todays modern world. You do have the answer, but you misdirect it only against the ANC. The ANC is Africa personified.
@Larry:
Your generalizations that blacks are basically barbaric and are foul-smelling are simply based on a racist paradigm. The modern day ANC is mostly corrupt and incompetent and dominated by blacks but it does not follow that all South African blacks are incompetent and corrupt. If they were, they would be no hope for our beloved country.
Most whites have racist viewpoints but what the ANC does not want to acknowledge is that more and more are learning to modify their language and behaviours. The way forward for us as a nation is to hold on to the dream of a rainbow nation and to realize more and more of the dream by working together to unseat our corrupt oppressors.
Larry – The problem arises when you say that an entire people of a certain colour are inherently associated with some kind of behaviour. That is racism. It is the impostion of a negative stereotype which is based on your prejudices rather than on the facts, which show otherwise.
Well Larry if you have the study can we have the figures. The point of the matter is that crime has no race. To attach race to crime is cynical and dumb. The matter at hand is that Hurdley painted a picture which is not realistic. I have been called a baboon by some white people even a K—r for that matter. did I attack them,did I break into their house or hijack them. Not at all. Now if all crime victims went to Canada will Canada grant them asylum,I think not.
People can blame the ANC for all the troubles of society. My take on the matter is the breakdown in the family structure. We have kids who grow up as orphans,single-parent families and all the other factors breaking down the family. This is a sociological problem and not a race problem.
I would assume my learned colleague,Larry would think I deserve my house being broken into 3times and mugged twice,because I am black and I voted ANC so it serves me well.
@ Kwanda: You make a number of good and valid points. I believe, however, that the ANC has proven itself to be both soft on crime and unable to do something about it. The ANC government must shoulder the bulk of the blame for our country sliding into a state of anarchy where criminals rule the roost with total impunity. We can’t even play the race card and blame the whites when many senior black ANC leaders continuously make a mockery of our judiciary.
While my view may be extreme, and even racist, in your opinions, it cannot be rejected out of hand.
My community and race group do not suffer the nonsensical mass belief of body part harvesting and witchcraft which results in mass hysteria attacks on defenseless elderly octenegerians; – or create the black market industry for fingers, hands, lips, eyes and genitalia for medicinal use.
Just because it does not afflict ‘my’ grouping of fellow countrymen, does not mean that I should not comment or have a negative opinion of such gruesome behavior. This is real, it happens and it is a ‘negative steriotype’ indictment on black people in general.
Kwanda, I have not got a compiled list, but I have a suitcase full of new clippings. Are you suggesting that these murders and witchcraft are a figment of my immagination?
Ray, what you are saying is that we are all lacking of cultural and ethnic characeristics that set us apart. Or, that we do have steriotypical differences but we may not mention these for fear of hurting other’s feelings. You may ascribe to this naivette, but I will not. If that is racism, then I am a racist – unashamedly.
A ‘negative steriotype can be countered by a positive steriotype. Perhaps, you should be countering my arguement rather that rubbishing it.
Larry, racism is responsible for more than just hurting people’s feelings. It resulted in the systematic murder and oppression of millions of black people on the one hand through centuries of slavery, and more recently resulted in the systematic murder of millions of Jews and others in the 2nd world war. You are right to condemn acts of brutality and barbarity agaisnt citizens of this and other countries in Africa, but beware of making racist generalisations. It’s not OK to be racist, just get that clear.
Andrew Kay,
‘Racism’ has become synonymous with hatred. Consider that my commentary on race and race relations may be hurtful, but that I do not have the personal capacity for hatred.
As an elderly Jew, I have been personally afflicted by the holocaust. How I wish that more people had stood up against the Nazis, or should they have not been steriotyped.
There are advanced societies and there are those struggling to disengage from their primitive ‘predelictions’ at a pace which is detrimental to their advancement. This is nobodies fault. These societies mix, and in Africa, it is a volatile recipe for conflict.
There are millions of refujoe’s and refujane’s that have been afforded asylum in this country because of Africans conflicting with Africans. They have sought asylum in the UK and Canada as well.
@ Larry Goodfella, in response to your comment, “Eli, I am angry because I care…” I care just as much as you do! Well said.
And so the ‘racism’ and ‘immigration/refugee’ debate rages on, and how many are interested in arguing about the symptoms, and how many at looking at the root causes?
Resource scarcity will be a direct cause of confrontation, conflict, and war…. We are entering the century of “not enough,” and we will bleed for things we previously could buy.
US Army War College: The Culture of Future Conflict: Overpopulation & Resource Scarcity will be the Direct Cause of Confrontation, Conflict, and War
“… World population growth is widely recognized within the Government as a current danger of the highest magnitude calling for urgent measures…… it is of the utmost urgency that governments now recognize the facts and implications of population growth, determine the ultimate population sizes that make sense for their countries and start vigorous programs at once to achieve their desired goals.”
“… population factors are indeed critical in, and often determinants of, violent conflict in developing areas. Segmental (religious, social, racial) differences, migration, rapid population growth, differential levels of knowledge and skills, rural/urban differences, population pressure and the spatial location of population in relation to resources — in this rough order of importance — all appear to be important contributions to conflict and violence… Clearly, conflicts which are regarded in primarily political terms often have demographic roots. Recognition of these relationships appears crucial to any understanding or prevention of such hostilities.”
National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth
My post was deleted. Why?
Wassamatta Ray? Are you sulking? Tch Tch Tch.
Do you select to delete posts with viewpoints that do not match your own? Seems so.
“The truth is that the overwhelming majority of crime victims in this country are black and many of the perpetrators are white.”
No, that is not the truth according to my experience. How many South Africans (of all races) can claim that they feel threatened by desperately poor white people as the origin of the criminality in South Africa? In my experience exactly the opposite is true – there is no discernable perception among any South Africans that white people as a group are threatening anybody with criminal behaviour.
If poverty was really the origin of crime then one would expect criminality among the poor of all race groups. To some extent it is true that adverse social conditions breeds crime but my perception (and that of other South Africans) is that there is a much higher incidence of violent crime eminating from specific racial groups.
How many South Africans of all races can claim to have been the victims of violent robberies, muggings or carjackings at the hands of white criminals?
Really?
Why is it then that in a modern democracy such as the USA, the black minority OUTside of the prison system turns into a black majority INside of their prison system?
Why are their black neighborhoods not favourable places to live, and why do well-to-do black families seek to uplift themselves by moving into whiter neighborhoods?
Is it white on black racism in the US of A that cause their black criminality and poverty. Are they an oppressed people, or do they get the same chances and treatment as all Americans?
Why is it that Americans of Indian (Asian), Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese and Pakistani descent capable of rising above their inherent difficulties of assimilating language and culture, and thrive. This is because the work hard and honestly and reinvest in their own diasporic communities. The ‘African Americans’ only know how to invest in flashy consumer products made by the Japanese, Europeans, and white American companies.
You must check out the market in hair relaxing products, and who is selling these quite dangerous chemicals to Africans everywhere. What is wrong with the hair that you were born with.
I like Kwanda’s comments the best – blacks and whites grieve the same when a loved one is murdered. The problem is many whites do not acknowledge this because they simply do not acknowledge blacks as fellow human beings. I say this as a white American (despite the “Black Coffee” in my handle) who spent six months in SA. From my experiences there, which included one mugging by the way, most blacks are law-abiding people who either work hard or are trying hard to find a job. I myself found it dismaying to see that some blacks still defer to whites by saying “howzit boss” when they see a white – I really wish they would stop calling whites “boss.” That’s another topic I suppose. Larry – your arguments are as racist as is the drivel on http://www.zasucks.com and other blogs. Yes muti and witchcraft murders occur, and this is tragic, but this is an aberation. Most sangomas do not believe in this. Unfortunately some do, and SA society needs to work on this within the African communities. Africans have many worthy traditions, but muti murder is of course not one of them. However, the vast majority of black South Africans have nothing to do with this practice and to paint them with that brush is extremely racist and as far from the reality as one can get.
Thanks Black Coffee, but I take mine white with two spoons of honey.
Your perception from travelling our country are very nice, considering you were comfortably ensconced in a tourbus on the backpackers routes. So you had some phutu and beans at a Soweto eatery, and maybe a sleep-over – big wank.
The liberal mindset of those who do not live here permanently are the first to change after a few months in our ‘normal’ society, using public transport and trying to find a job in an exclusive affirmative action job market. The rabid racists group to which you think I belong, is mostly made up of those very recent European ’settlers’ who fast learn to understand that big money and very tall walls with guard dogs, are all that keep you safe in this country, – to their own very high standards which is ‘normal’ where they came from.
The year on year 20 000 violence related deaths (reported), child murder and rape, muti and witchcraft killings that we hear of; are just an aberation, you say. You arrogant prick.
We have a population of 46 million against your USA population of 280 million. If you correlate this it would mean that your USA aberation would amount to 122 000 deaths annually from violent attack of civilians upon one another. Can you conceptualise that you silly, silly person. let me challenge you. tell me what is your annual murder rate of the USA.
Take your black coffee and settle down in your nice, safe hick neighborhood, boyo, and grab hold of a nice novel. A fantasy will do you fine.
In 2005, the USA murder rate per 100 000 people was 5,6 – which amounts to an national homocide figure of 15,600 for a population of 280 million.
South Africa surpasses that with a population that is more than six times smaller, and we get some tart telling us that we suffer from occasional abberations.
Homicide trends in the U.S.
Trends by race
Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders
In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.
To view data, click on the chart.
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For more information about racial patterns in violent victimization
see Key Facts at a Glance.
In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites
To view data, click on the chart.
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Taken from website – US DEPT OF JUSTICE, BUREAU OF JUSTICE STATISTICS 2005
Larry – did you miss the part where I said I spent six months in South Africa? I was not on tour buses and I did not purchase a car. I got around by minibus taxi and 99% of time was the only white to do so. I was there for doctoral research not as a tourist. I never said that SA is as safe as US and I know what statistics show. I also know there are many blogs and sites on Internet which exaggerate the crime in South Africa and make it sound like it is all at same levels in all areas of all cities and towns. Nothing could be further from the truth.
BC – I also see that you had an authentic ‘mugging’ experience to take home and gush about with your varsity buddies.
Tell me, as you conducted your stint doing doctoral research, were you guided around in a group with other Safricans. If not, then you are lucky to be alive, and that is no exageration.
What if your mugging ended with you having a knife pushed into your chest. Would your death be an exageration on some blogsite?
BTW, I have never gone on that zasucks site because I love my country.
Just dont come here and pontificate from your clean and safe American lifestyle on things that you do not know sufficiently about. Our political bosses have place a moratorium on our crime statistics because they are deemed so bad as to chase away investment. To them, looking good to people like you is more important than addressing our crime problems. Your naivette helps them do a better job of not fixing this countries social ills.
@Black Coffee:
I apologise to you for the cr.ap that is being spewed forth by my very angry countryman, Larry. I thought your comments were balanced and the bias insinuated by Larry are simply figments of his own imagination. The only arrogant prick on these blog sites at the moment is Larry “Goodfellow” himself.
Larry and I agree on many topics but from time to time we cross swords for his racist language and intolerant behaviour. He is a big supporter of the official opposition party, the Democratic Alliance, but I have warned him before that his racist views do not win his party any fresh support from Blacks like me. Without Black support his party will always be nothing more than a small irritation to the ANC giant.
The simple truth is that the majority of crime is directed at the black majority by the criminal element which includes mostly white executives guilty of massive price fixing of foodstuffs, mostly black corrupt politicians who fix tenders for family and cronies, gangsters who routinely rob, rape and murder innocent law-abiding citizens.
For whites to claim that they suffer the brunt of the criminal onslaught in this country is ludicrous.
Nowhere have I made such a statement that ‘whites…suffer the brunt of the criminal onslaught in this country…’, Eli – and I remind you that if I am angry, it is because I care about my country and all its people.
I am redirecting the blame for crime away from whites to where it belongs. As to which group is the bigger victim of crime, we all are. Except, of course those crimes which are racially motivated, unless you propose that these do not exist.
I am deeply disappointed in you Eli as you generally have a clear and balanced head on your shoulders, by what you write in these blogs.
To accuse a person of racism is in itself a crime, since none of us have a clear handle on what constitutes racism. An accusation of racism, does not invalidate the accused’s right to his or her opinion on matters around race and ethnic shortcomings or the opposite. Take a moment of introspection, lest I start making apologies for your inabilities on behalf of my country.
Your blackness does not automatically make you right on these matters. The statistics I offered are not ‘figments of my imagination.’ They just make you angry, and hence your unreasoned response.
Larry – I do not deal in what ifs. I got mugged once in a particularly rough part of Johannesburg – Hoek Street near the Noord Street taxi rank. It is a stone’s throw from Johannesburg’s Park Station which when I was there was well-patrolled by police and security. Unfortunately, they did not patrol Hoek Street, and after my mugging some black friends of mine told me I had walked right into where muggers prowl. The same can happen in many neighborhoods of US cities, though it has never happened to me. But one can read about it in American papers all the time. I was for most part unescorted, and for the last 4 months I felt comfortable enough with Soweto to go in there on board taxis unescorted, including deep into an area called Chiawelo.
On statistics – I am aware there was a moratorium at one time, but I thought the SAPS now releases crime stats once a year. Please correct me if that is not correct. I also understand the SAPS may fudge stats to make crime look better than situation actually is, but the murder rate does show a decline from 1994 to now from about 67/100,000 to about 38/100,000. While the latter figure is still much higher than US overall, and higher than it should be, it is about the same murder rate as in Washington, DC – the capital of US.
Sure BC. You are my hero.
There are very few white people in SA who feel comfortable moving in and out of (predominantly) black suburban areas of our cities, because the risk is unfortunately too great that they might end up falling prey to the out of control and brazen criminal element, whose ears prick at the sight of a whitey the way a cat zooms in on a mouse. No different to what happens in the black neighborhoods of your Washington DC, no doubt.
Unfortunately, crime stats against whites would be much higher if us whites were truly colour blind, and, and but, would average out if the black criminal element were colour blind as well. No such luck.
Amy Biel made your papers big time, and ours as well. What did not make your papers, or ours, was the tens of thousands of blacks who were preyed upon by other blacks around the same time of her murder by racists.
Our crime stats are still under wraps, and even we do not believe a word that comes out of the mouths of our filthy politicians. Eli will agree. It is likely that our murder rate is double that which it is presumed to be.
Since you have some of your own stats at your finger tips about the murder rate in Wash.DC, can you enlighten us as to which of the general ethnic groups is doing the most murdering?
I see my old friend Larry is back to his normal reasoned critique and has left his paranoid alter ego where it belongs.
Our criminal statistics have been grossly distorted by ANC politicians and their lapdog cadres … just as our unemployment and illegal alien figures have been fudged. Telling the truth and ethical behaviour have not been the hallmarks of ANC politicians.
Why do none of the mainstream media report on the debunking of this myth, that blacks are more prone to be victims of crime; when the statistics show that the highest at risk group in South Africa and the world, for murder are South african White farmers, at 300 per 100,000. Blacks in SA don’t come remotely close to those stats…
Consider the Politico report, 142 Academics Get It Wrong on crime, copy here: http://why-we-are-white-refuge.....heres.html
So, whats going on? Is it so difficult to be impartial?
Why we are white refugees – aka Lara, it’s because no one in the real world outside of the racist, lying zasucks.com and the iluvsa.blogspot.com that gloats in negativity wants to pay attention to your racist drivel. Tell the family of Lucky Dube that blacks are not victimized as much as whites or more.
I am Ray Hartley, the editor of The Times, South Africa, a daily newspaper which was launched in June 2007 under the Sunday Times umbrella. I'm also the editor of Times LIVE.
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Larry Goodfella
August 31, 2009 at 7:34 pmIf a septic tank could write an article, it would read like Ray’s piece above.
There are so many glaring lumps of faecal matter, that it reads more like the unbelievable trash that is periodically shat out by the ANCYL and YCL.
You, Ray, are the one who is having a problem with reality, but it is more a problem of ’spin’ as you try to justify your ivory tower viewpoint, because there is no getting around the utter truth. Even in your own words.
You say: “The truth is that the overwhelming majority of crime victims in this country are black and many of the perpetrators are white.”
Do you mean to say that whites perpetrate the majority of crimes against black victims? We know that you do not mean this, but why dont you rather say it like it is instead of being obfuscating?
So: The majority of victims are black. Obviously, the majority of perps are also black. Also: The majority of white victims are set upon by black perps. Therefore: The “many white” perps are actually “”"very few”"”.
The annual death rate by violent crime in this country during peace time is greater or close enough to that of Iraq during the second Gulf war. As much as 20 000 per year. What do you make of that?
How many white farmers have been killed or attacked in this country over the last two decades, by blacks? Or was it Oom Vlismis from the Afrikaaner Broeder Boekklub.
You pick on the single Skierlik issue as if it were a daily event, and as common as compost. While others which are far worse such as the thirty plus deaths from being flung from moving trains during the Security Guards strike, and the sixty plus from recent xenephobia (racist) murder spree. Or was it Gerhardus and the boyscouts from Vrede.
The daily murder rate overwhelms your ability to report on these events, to the point that you cannot keep up. So you rather find fault with Canada’s perception.
How many white farmers have been killed and how many white innocents have been hijacked, raped and murdered recently in acts of senseless and extreme violence, because they are white? By blacks?
Please dont shovel your compost of the highest odour our way.