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This is the text of a statement given to The Times by former National Director of Public Prosecutions, Bulelani Ngcuka, on his discovery that tapes of conversations he had were in the possession of Jacob Zuma’s legal team.
I have been advised – and believe – that monitoring and interception of telephone conversations between various individuals, including myself, has been conducted by a State agency. I have also been informed that the lawyers of Mr Jacob Zuma have such recordings in their possession. On the face of it, both the interception and monitoring as well as the possession of such material by private individuals is illegal.
It is a matter of grave concern that in a democratic state – which has an entrenched Bill of Rights, which amongst others, safeguards the rights of the citizens to privacy – you could have surveillance by a State agency and the product of that surveillance be made available to the lawyers of an accused person in a criminal trial.
I would expect the law enforcement agencies to investigate this conduct.
If it is suggested – as I believe that it is – that I was involved in any conversations, the objective of which was to manipulate the National Prosecuting Authority or use it as a tool to frustrate Mr Zuma’s ambition to occupy the highest office in the land by prosecuting him, I am confident that if any authentic recordal of my conversations with whomsoever is produced, no evidence would be found that would implicate me in such a conspiracy. For the record, I am not – and have never been – part of any conspiracy against Mr Zuma.
It is a matter of public record that when I in my capacity as NDPP, had the opportunity to prosecute Mr Zuma, I declined to do so.
Should such allegations be repeated in a court of law or other legal forum, I am confident that no wrong doing will be found against me. Indeed, I stand ready to refute and expose them as false, malicious and defamatory.
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Wa-Mokoane: Wow! What an ignorant African you are … and I am not referring to your grammar or spelling either. Go and spread your disinformation in your village or to those one-eyed ANC sycophants who are always standing with outstretched hands looking for a quick buck.
Why do you not try doing the honourable thing and explain to our readers why it is okay for Zuma and his cronies to break the law? Explain why Zuma should be allowed to abuse state machinery for his own personal battles to stay out of court and not face the countless criminal charges against him. Why would an innocent man not want to clear his good name in court? Explain to us why the new ANC has shown a total disregard for the concept of promoting the democracy that our forefathers and families gave their lives for. Explain to us why our families and friends were incarcerated so that we could enjoy a democracy where everyone is equal before the law except the ANC politicians, their cronies and families.
If you can’t then shut the hell up and crawl back under the rock you came from.
Wa-Mokoane you are completely off the mark! What stupid reasoning!!! Did you even read the letter?
The questions Ngcuka is asking about the use of the intelligence unit to spy on people are valid! Especially cause these were done whilst TM was the president of the Country and were given to his rival before polokwane! We should be asking how much more was done that we do not know about? South Africa I falling down the slippery slope and all so that Zuma should be our president!
How much more can we South African take this abuse of Power by Zuma even before he is the President of the country!
While you are @ asking question Mli & Eli… what business is Bulelani & Thabo having by communicating with NPA bosses about Zuma on the phone… it is of course wrong that they tapped their phones.. but that is because they suspected that these two are influencing the case against Zuma. So in a sense one can justify their tappiong the phones of these two!
Nyet Nyiks
Firstly, we are not yet privy to the actual conversation, so we do not know what they spoke about. People can phone each other, you know.
Secondly, so what if they discussed the Zuma case. This does not detract from Zuma’s guilt if it can be proved that he is corrupt and committed fraud.
Crying about political interference is cowardly. It is happening both ways in any case. Your herdboy is a crook.
Come on Larry…you are already declaring Zuma guilty.. when he has not been declared so by the courts..That shows your little knowledge about some of the rights of an individual in this democratic country…
Wow!
The ARMS deal saga is a true riddle. I pay my taxes & I want to know what really went down.
Granted, Jacob Zuma is innocent NOW but that is because NO one has ever come out & spilled the beans on this saga.
When one hears things like Phenuel Maduna got promised jobs at Thint. Thabo Mbeki on the other hand, and as we’ve known him, is a MICRO manager type of a leader – I ask myself, how on earth did he NOT know that Zuma was chowing trillions that belongs to SA.
It is Thabo Mbeki who redirected the tender process from acquiring ARMS from the Spanish – he gave an instruction that the ARMS contract be rather given to Shiraq’s people (ie THINT). Thabo Mbeki cannot remember that he met with Thint at their offices… C’on… Something is amis!
Did the Nelson Madela’s Childrens Fund benefit from this dirty money? Has anyone ever thought that that maybe the core “national interest” angle that Kemp or Heath are talking about?
If I apply my mind, it is not far fetched to conclude that Mandela also was corrupt in accepting such crass donations.
There is no denying that Mbeki & the Ncgukas are a tight knit – to pay the 2 lovies back, Mbeki elevated their political profiles – that explains why the las felt the sad when her master got fired! Cheap & stupid mistress Phumzile, sis!!!
it is sad for my leanered brother Larry to ignor my statement above; (you are innocent, until proven guilty)…
Ngquka was playing the ochestra, and the NPA were the sound engineers, but He was no longer eligible to play…
Did Thabo instruct Him to go around within the NPA officers and Play the Ochestra, telling the poor investigators who feared of loosing their Jobs to be sound engineers…
Hey larry; is this not far fetched…
Wa-Mokoane
The issue here is not whether TM spoke to Bulelani about charging JZ with corruption, but whether there was corruption activity in the part of JZ. If I do corruption and people discuss about it, they are not wrong but I am wrong by engaging myself in corrupt activities. That is why even legal experts are saying, iF Zuma thinks he can incriminate TM in order to be absolved from the matter, then he has lost it. He must actually call Mbeki to also be charged if he is saying Mbeki was part of the deal.
Wa-Mokoane, this is quality my brother, you said it all but your opposition individuls seems not to understand the basics, so what the point here, debating with people who far below par from your standard. You don’t belong in this forum, this is for beginners, typical of COPE like Mvume Ndandala, Pityane , etc. Mzi Khumalo is also implicated in this nonsense? is it true? I don’t believe this but I’ll wait and see
Zuza , who don’t know really that Thabo Mbheki is a MICRO manager type of a leader. Let me tell you, I once reported to somebody who was a typical of Mbheki, MICRO managing. To tell you the trueth I resigned. I was not going anywhere with this nonsense.
But you pronounce Nguka to be guilty without his being found to be so in a court of law.
You only look to democracy when it suits you.
Zuma has the right to appear in court and answer the charges. The evidence will prove his guilt, or his defence will prove his innocence. Why are you scared for this event? Do you also think that he is guilty, as I do.
Yes I am declaring Zuma guilty, so long as he does everything in his power to avoid the court of law and an impartial judge.
On top of this, he is a coward for scampering out of the path of justice. He is guilty until then.
But you fools venerate the isikebengu. Even your argument is corrupt.
Larry, it is Ngcuka not Nguka. Eish, when we you guys ever learn? And it’s not an isikebengu it is an isigebengu.
Debate me Bongs. Or is correcting my spelling all you can do.
“Eish, when we you guys ever learn?” – read what you just wrote and correct yourself.
The fact of the matter is that those who view JZ supporters as one eyed; are the ones who are actually blind and deaf.
Was it not Bulelani Ngcuka who called the secret editor’s meeting. Did he not say that they will prosecute Zuma in the media. Are not the perceptions of those who view Zuma as guilty, informed by that decision by Bulelani? Please guys let’s deal with facts and not emotions here.
I strongly stand by the fact that if this Zuma thing goes to an open court, at least I will be afforded the chance to understand what went down with the arms deal.
I have trouble figuring out “HOW DID Bulelali Ngcuka KNOW for a fact THAT Mr Jacob Zuma lawyers HAVE spy TAPES of him?” – he is, as far as I can recall, a business man.
What if the so called “spy tapes” don’t exist?
Can anyone tell us
Zuza, someone at the NPA phoned him to tell him what was in Zuma’s representation to the NPA. at least to tell him that his private phone calls were supposedly tapped by a government agency, which is illegal.
The bigger question is how did Zuma and his lawyers, who are private citizens, get a government agency to illegally tape the phone calls of other private citizens.
If the spy tapes do not exist then Zuma and his lawyers must fess up quickly, to avoid another illegality being added to the litany of charges against Zuma.
Bongs, in that case I can highly recommend the Minor Matters blog. Just go to the top of the page and scroll down. A clever chap like you is sure to find it.
This is a political blog where people debate each other, and not a spelling blog where people correct each others spelling and grammar. Cheers now, hurry along.
WoW
Your Men is also pulling strings at COPE…
I still want to know what was wrong with Terror, who was Democratically Elected as a President of COPE, to be humiliated like that… (being replaced by a Bishop that does not have good Political credentials).
Poor Lekota, should have known that AKUNYELWA EHLA KOMFULA, one day you’ll want to drink off that river…
The ANC will give Him a warm Welcome back.
HE HE HE, The Delai Lama’s of COPE TM and BN now this include Saki, this guys dealt with poor Terror.
Zuma releases his cards one by one at a time that suits him.The fax from Thint to the Chief,meetings with Barbra Masekela,Browse Mole report (“Pikoli confirms some allegations”)Germans and Britain hunting the chief,now proof of Nicholson Judgement is coming out.I wonder Zuma’s ditractors Harms,De Vos etc are not sqiurming now that Zuma is ‘spilling the beans’.There is proof stop pulling straws about how the evidence was collected as NPA can still pull those records from the suppliers.McCarthy’s job will be on the line,Mbeki’s UN jobs wish is also evaporating.Ethically there are questions on their integrity too.
Ray Hartley’s support for the Mafia behaviour of these Xhosas should also show his bias on the issues.He has no independent advice or view on issues.Zuma should also check his record as well.
Judgement said Zuma should approach the Court for recusal based on the role of the executive in his persecution.Not on whether guilty or not.People can shout on roof tops but he must not be fazed.Let them carry on voting DACOPEDA fine.We just carry on we owe no one any judgement here! It is not fair handling of the issue! People tried to buy us delegates at Polokwane and when they failed,they formed COPE.Now we hear they were influencing the case as well as from inception!Zuma march to Parliament!!!For our sake!!
I am Ray Hartley, the editor of The Sunday Times in South Africa.
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Wa-Mokoane
March 26, 2009 at 8:03 amDi-Appointed
it is now clear that ZUMA is not a criminal, lets hear from those from COPE; who left the ANC and charged Zuma Guilty, that they left for their denail to the acts of democracy.
Ngquka and Cope’s Delai Lama (T Mbeki) must just understand that the constitution is above individuals and if a person is charged, is not guilty, it is for the court to prove that the charged is guilty, not for odinary Citizens like Me, Mbazima Shilowa and Terror Lekota.
The ANC was right in firing their Delai Lama, it was clear after Zuma’s Victory in Polokwane that they (COPE) do not believe in Democracy and does not support Democracy. Terror Lekota was democratically elected to lead COPE, but was removed by the NEC suggesting that the Bishop is better than Terror, who know’s if the advice was not from the Delai Lama again.
Mama Mbeki should have waited for this before going aroung fuming with anger that her son is removed from the highest position in the country because of revange. it was rather the correct thing that she should have done if he was part of the sitting in the NEC that removed her son.
I’m dis-appointed with those who still say Zuma is guilty even if there is clear evidance that it was not the NPA dicision to charge him, but the intruction from Thabo Mbeki.
Wacth this space; Mbeki might face the fire, if he really used state organs to fight his personal political battles.
Wa-Mokoane