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THIS year will be remembered as one where the world and South Africa were severely tested by turmoil and change.
The global economy finally ran out of gas as the US financial system failed and “toxic credit” took down the balance sheets of banking giants such as Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Morgan Stanley.
By the end of the year, the US Federal Reserve cut interest rates to a record low of 0,25 percent in a desperate effort to stave off a depression the likes of which has not been seen since the 1930s.
America sneezed and the world caught cold. The influential magazine, The Economist has begun speculating that the economies of China and India might contract more than expected, leading to possible social unrest and a further decline in the demand for commodities.
South Africa, though insulated from the US banking problems due to prudent regulation, has also suffered.
We are losing jobs as the demand for commodities declines and companies seek to cut costs to cope with lower demand.
The US elected Barack Obama, largely on his pledge to end the economic crisis.
Even as he was elected, the Indian city of Mumbai suffered an horrific terror attack on hotels and public transport by machine-gun wielding thugs.
In South Africa, political ructions dominated the news as President Thabo Mbeki was dumped by the ANC before finishing his second term in office.
The move led to Mosiuoa Lekota leaving the ANC to form the Congress of the People (Cope) party.
Cope, rallying around the defence of the constitution against what it describes as ANC arrogance, attracted some high-profile ANC leaders such as Mbhazima Shilowa and Smuts Ngonyama, but it is yet to be tested as a political force.
…and Zod. Look at the words in your post…..and then look ar Ndumiso’s post.
WHERE DID NDUMISO ASK A QUESTION?????
This is why you have been rendered….
Dear Bloggers,
Larry Goodfella is of course correct, but taking the comment of Princess in the context of her task to “educate”, she is also correct.
You see there are several influences regarding the IQ of any specific person. I would regard the following formula as the bases to explain and calculate the possible IQ of a child, even before birth, excluding any other external influences.
Y=X h squared{m [fx3]dev4-X}
2
Where:
Y=expected IQ [m f]
X=mean IQ of culture
h squared=heritability of IQ
m f =IQ of mother and father
Therefore,
A mother with IQ102 and father 104 will have a child with IQ 103.5 –adjustment of 5 downward toward average, thus 98.5 upward decade increase of 4=IQ102.5
If the IQ of m and f were turned around it would make significant change in expected child IQ.
It is a fact that the dad ALWAYS has greater effect on IQ of children, than what mother has, therefore the facts of Princess are near to correct
I would also refer to Dr R Bittet, Intelligence and Genes, 1997 and refer first of all to the fact that different groups, cultures and sub-cultures, have different IQs and mental capabilities. It is a fact that for instance in USA, it has been stated that, generally speaking, white citizens have a 5% to 7% advantage on African Americans regarding Intelligence Quotient. This is as previously stated, not necessarily due to inherited genes but could be due to upbringing and cultural background.
Sorry, I forgot to mention a few important points.
Not only are there differences between IQs of cultures and groups, but men have a general 4-5% advantage over women.
Persons with higher IQs live generally to higher ages but they also tend to suffer less injuries and also make friends easier.
The incomes of higher IQs tend to follow the trend.
Mothers with higher IQ normally do not breast-feed in public.
Children born to parents with higher IQ and are IN LOVE tend to have children who have higher IQs than the parents.
IQ of any given group and age has been rising steadily at the rate of about 3 to 4 points per decade.
Try all that for size.
PRINCESS dont give up.
Dr. Know,
I tried your formula, using 100 as average IQ and decreasing bottom line by 4 points due to being black and without cheating I was rewarded with an answer that was within a few points of the actual IQ of my oldest daughter.
I would point out that there is a ” ” sign missing between the Y and the X at the beginning of your formula. I also note that you have given the formula a ‘truth’ regarding the input of the fathers genes.
Nice comment. Blog some more.
Not quite a question , but here we go ….
If a person supports a particular political party, it certainly doesnt give any person a measure for that persons intelligence…
Does it ?
Well yes it does.
If the political party in question, is obviously behaving in a manner that serves the party and not the people (excepting the pretense of hard work and caring as election time draws near); and if the party in question proceeds to damage the economy with the inclusion of communist policies; and if they spend wastefully; and if they have disastrous foreign policy; and if they place inept managment in a failing cadre deployment policy; if they choose a village idiot as a presidential candidate……and on, and on.
Well then, one of two things will apply.
If the person supporting said party, stands to benefit in some way, knowing that the party is and will be a dismal failure; – the that person can be said to have a measure of intelligence.
If, however, the person supporting the said party, is just doing so because they do not recognise said party for its faults, but only for its ‘promise’; and cannot see that said party is rotton to the core; – then such a person has the intelligence of mutton.
This is why twelve year old people do not get to vote.
Happy New year everybody!Im so disappointed to notice that some of you were blogging on 31st,ist,2nd…dont you guys know what a holiday means?Just joking!
I woke up to the news that the honourable Jacob Zuma will finally walk down the aisle with his long-time “vat n sit” Ms Thoko Mabhija after waiting for so long.I immediately thought of Zodwa and how shattered she must be upon hearing the bad news…after spendind her miserable life on this blog flirting and hinting at Jakobus and to lose out like that.Ouch
@Ndumiso
What do you make of Zuma’s statement he made at “youth day” rally in bloemmfontein that the anc has failed the masses.He said even though there are successes which it must take credit for,the anc has,over-all,failed the people.Thats very profound admission and i wonder why people still insist we must,nevertheless,vote anc.How many more election victories does it need to get things right?
Dear Mr Larry Goodfella and Dr. Know,
I must agree that my comment viz. the IQ, was faulty in that I did not stress the total influences that both parents have on the IQ of the child. I did however progress as if the acceptance was alredy agreed upon that it is known that it takes two to tango. But I was attempting to stress the point that if the mother had an IQ of 60 and the father an IQ of 140 then it would be quite probable that the child would have an IQ of – 110 which is above average, taking the corrections into consideration. BUT if the scenario were to be changed and the m and f be turned around, then the child would have a probable IQ of -85-90.
I did attempt also to point out the effect that this would and does have [as so bravely commented upon by Mr Larry Goodfella] on what Jessie once refered to as the “ignorant millions” as the average IQ of those millions is possibly between 90 and 95, due not only to heritage but also to externals, such as culture,groups and environment.
What Dr Know refrained to state [probably for good cause and reason] is that in Africa, fathers are normally ‘travelling salesmen’ with doubtful addresses and even more doubtful IQs, therefore adding to [or in this case, subtracting from] the already low average IQ. Dr Know has stated that IQs increase by 3-4 points per decade, but those figures are for USA. Africa, if there is a growth of IQ, then it MIGHT be 1 point per decade, due to pass-time of rioting, killing, hating and other negative influences.
Zoidwa, since only you understand why your case is resting, tell us, are you brighter than your husband?
Zumaniac
The speech by the ANC president was at Selosesha Stadium, Thaba Nchu, Free State in reference to 16 June 2008.
I don’t seem to find the statement
“even though there are successes which it must take credit for,the anc has,over-all,failed the people.”
AK………..
I am not terribly sure of your question as posted on 2-12, about my advancing book. Please give me an indication by reforming your comment.
John {Asian decent} where did you get to???
NDUMISO, please do not be put off by militants such as Zod. She is just bitter for not being able to be civil with folk of different opinions to hers.
There is of course AK who at times likes to ‘rough us up’ but generally speaking, I believe he is doing it to get a ‘kick out of us’.
I do hope that Zod has taken in what the comments of Princess and Dr. Know have stated.
Happy new year everyone,hope you had a good holiday…even though some of you were blogging even on 31st,1st,2nd.Do you guys know meaning of a holiday.
Zumaniac,zuma made that amazing admission on reconciliation day 16 december 2008 at seisa ramabodu stadium in botshabelo.Accuracy my brother accuracy.
Im not surprised that Zodwa is not aware of that speech…that should answer your question Eli.
Hi there Zabalaza Bra,
Yes you know when you are alone then time does not mean much. I do have a lot that I need to do but at times I ignore that.
I also wish you a very good year and hope there are still many hours of blogging to come.
AK where are you?? Please answer my Question regarding your comment on my book.
Zumaniac and Zabalaza
The ANC president never made such admission, below is his exact words
ANC President’s speech Mangaung, Bloemfontein, 2008 –Dec – 16 :
Comrades, the ANC is a learning organisation. We have learnt from the mistakes of the past 15 years, especially the manner in which we may have, to some degree, neglected the people’s movement in our focus on governance.
From 1994, we had to focus primarily on transforming the State and the country, and to deliver on the basic needs of our people. We have to a large extent done well. Thousands of people have water, electricity, roads, public health care, access to education, houses and other basic services.
However, we may not have balanced our governance and party work well. In this context, all who led the ANC in the past 15 years should take collective responsibility for any possible weaknesses, as well take credit for the successes.
The various problems that developed could have been averted and some of our key structures and sectors would not have been neglected as they have been.
Amazing neh ….
Zodwa is a mother of three and does have a husband …
My God…
10 – Girl
6 – Girl
2 – Boy
So answer Eli’s simple question. Are you smarter than your husband?
Yes, but Zodwa, I am intrigued. Your case is resting….but tell me. Is your intelligence quotient B1 mutton or C3 mutton?
Princess, a very good reply. However, a terribly racist human study was going arround that focussed on average IQ, that gave Africans an average of 70, and Caucasians an average of 100, or thereabouts. I remember that Japanese scored the highest by some difference.
Is this for real? maybe Mr Know knows.
That is good news… then your three children have a chance of making something of themselves in spite of your “jeans”.
I hope so too Eli,it would be a pity if Zodwa’s children take her “torn jeans”
That reminds me,are you aware Eli that most guys(educated or not)even though they are comfortable with an educated,intelligent woman,they prefer to settle down with someone less smart and obedient?Thats why successful women like Ms Monhle Hlahla,Ms Yolanda Cuba etc have a very slim chance of walking down the aisle than dim women like Zodwa cause they are threat to man in every aspect of life.
Forever is a very long time and no man wants to come home to a demanding and endlessly moaning woman.
Zodwa,selectively quoting zuma’s speech is not so clever,how about posting the whole speech…especially the admission part.
On a lighter note,i see honourable Jakobus Zuma has overlooked you and is instead going to walk down the aisle with his long-time “vat n sit” Ms Thoko Mabhija.All your flirting and hinting on this blog came to nought,Ooouch.Hook up with Sebentile and get a damn good “litigation attorney” sisi,show him what a scorned,angry woman is capable of by taking him to the cleaners sisi…dont admit defeat like that.
Ok ok Mr Perfect,i got the date wrong but you know which occasion i was refering to.Welcome back anyway.
Some of us were busy countering anc’s propaganda while the likes of black diamonds like you were having a blast on holidays in expensive places.How do you feel about that?
Zabalaza
I just wanted to help Zumaniac understand what the ANC president said exactly, not the statement he forwarded onto the blog…
Please do not misrepresent me, I’m not selective about anything. I chose what’s relevant to Zumanaic misquotation of the ANC president.
Larry Goodfella,
I have read what Princess has subsequently commented regarding IQs of area and groups and also your comment.
The truth is, I believe the comparisons which you are refering to in actual fact are from the late 50s. However the results are not as bad as that which you mentioned. The variences are due mainly to culture and environment.
If a child is coaxed into reading educative books from a young age, they are certain to increase their IQs to a surprising degree. What happens is that knowledge and referance material is loaded into the brain with the result that the brain is later able to take the unknown, and calculate, by means of the reference material, in order to define the answer to the unknown. It is likened to starting a water pump engine, you have to give the turning moment in order to allow the engine to continue with the good work. strangely enough, all of us can continue to increase our IQs and therefore our knowledge, by reading the correct books.
This may sound funny but some of the best books to read are encyclopaedias and dictionaries. just not love stories and telephone books.Also not porn.
To get back to the question, **** are probably still top IQs due to heritage and external while I should think that would be followed by the Swiss and followed by the Rest of Europe and USA BUT I must rush to say that within these countries there are groups, therefore we get back to other generalities as previously also stated. by Princess.
Africans within Africa are again groups and area so it becomes very complicated. However, generally speaking, it will be found that here at the tip of AFrica the IQ average is slightly higher than further north. The average around here is also affected by externals etc ,but is probably as stated by Princess.
Very generally speaking, native European decendants and native Europeans average is about 105-110. I am not going to attempt other areas due to all the externals.
World wide, the average is said to be 100, But if the world was to be split by geographical areas, then northwest would probably be 110,north east would be about 105, south east would also be about 105, while Africa and South America are probably 95.
Remember 80 is border line low trainable and 140 and above is superior[or genius]
Zodwa,are you still going to throw yourself at zuma again this year despite you losing out to Thobeka?
Zumaniac,please refrain from refering to me as a “Black diamond”,ka kopo hle!
Is anybody still talking so authoritavely about IQ when some scientists have shown that it is so biased towards certain subject matters?
Here is a quote from Wikipedea:
Environmental factors play a role in determining IQ. Proper childhood nutrition appears critical for cognitive development; malnutrition can lower IQ.
Unquote.
Having said that it is any wonder that a lot of under-nourished African children could be condemned to being imbeciles when GOOD nutrition amongst other things could make them as intelligent as other children anywhere in the world? And this isn’t Manto speaking, mind you!! Moreover, what about all the other studies that show teachers being able to lift performance of children from the projects (read Black children) in the US by the teacher being a FIRM believer that these children had the ability to learn?
There’s so much more that happens in a human mind that I personally would be hesitant to write off any person, especially as part of a group, because the thinking that groups possess any special traits is too simplistic at best and mischievous at worst.
There need to be serious thoughts around the effect of evolution, environment, socialization etc. that need to be taken into account before any specific decisions/generalizations are taken about groups’ IQ’s.
We need to study some more, my people, before we engage our mouths. Speak no lies.
Bonginkosi,
It is for this reason that I did not go too deep into external factors etc. And why I was able to suggest that IQ at the southern tip of Africa is probably 5 to 10 points higher than further north.
However it is NOT to say, that given exact same external factors, that ,,say samples of differing culture, should not have average IQs which are very near the same. BUT as has been proven, some backgrounds such as Japanese, tend to have higher IQs than others heritage wise,, as I have already correctly laid out..
I did stress the influence of culture, heritage, geographical location etc.
IQs of groups and cultures do differ heritage wise….
Maybe Princess would care to add a comment specifically regarding heritage with the proviso that all externals remain equal????????
Dr Know,
Thanks for the response. I can go on about IQ but I won’t. I am no teacher but am very interested in the workings of the mind and how to motivate people and how people acquire knowledge etc.
I have taken no hopers and transformed them into really bright people through ‘belief’ and ‘exposure’ etc. And the exposure can be something as simple as forcing them to read everyday. And it actually works.
But another thing that I have discovered is that knowledge is acquired in strange ways. Sometimes those ways seem illogical to me until I get to fully understand how the knowledge is being shared with me. One of the best examples of this, for instance, is how ‘simple’ Black African music can sound to the untrained ear until you can find a trained person to explain the complexities of it all. It’s only then that one is able to fully appreciate the richness of it all.
Your reference to the Japanese is interesting. Don’t the Japanese children go to school 6 days a week and are forced into a vocabulary of about 10 000 characters before they are deemed competent at expression (comunication)? I could be slightly mistaken in my facts here but this ‘proves’ without going through thorough research that IQ can be improved!! If we were to insist that our children go to school 6 days a week and they they have to read and finish 120 novels by the time they finish school (10 novels per school year) over and above their prescribed school work, we could produce geniuses by the dozens!! No doubt in my mind. But once again, that’s another topic for another day.
Ms Princess, you are embarassing yourself. Your lack of understanding of the DEVELOPMENT of intelligence (yes it can be substantially developed!!) is frightening. You shouldn’t really get a licence to breed…..you would be a liability to your off-spring!
Honestly, DO NOT BREED!!!
Dear dr Know,
I would not have considered offering further comment. But I have decided to offer a last comment regarding the area you have suggested.
If we were to test a group of 100 subjects, all of same age, differing backgrounds and cultures, also differing geographical location, but all coming from an average middle class upbringing, the probable outcome would be just as stated. There will be differing results. If we took each culture present and grouped these results, then the expected results would still remain as you and I have demonstrated. Decendant Japanese, decendant European, decentant native American, native South African, native north African and so forth in that declining order,would be the result.
However, there are sometimes individual results that pop out which are surprisingly higher. Then again as is demonstrated by the complaining individual above, there are results which are extremely low and demonstrate a mania of lunatic extremism with an inclination toward ADD and ACD, which in turn builds up to an extreme hate of others who may be observed to indicate a normal to higher intelligence than the subject him- or herself.
Please be so kind as to read through the previous comments in order to pick up the strands again.
I am Ray Hartley, the editor of The Sunday Times in South Africa.
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Larry Goodfella
January 4, 2009 at 6:42 pmZod, dont scare of Ndumiso just because we have rendered you stupid or worse.
Quite right Eli.
Ndumiso – tell us why we should support the ANC.