ANC SERVES A LETTER OF DEMAND ON A NEW PARTY OBJECTING TO THE USE
AND REGISTRATION OF THE NAME, CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE.
The African National Congress has served a letter of demand on a new
political party objecting to the use and registration of the name,
CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE.
The letter of demand was also copied to the Independent Electoral
Commission, which the ANC will be obliged to join in any High Court
proceedings in light of the interim order issued on 31 October 2008 by
Judge Bertelsmann in the case of the African National Congress vs Mr
Mbhazima Shilowa, Mr Mosiuoa Lekota and Mr Mluleki George.
The CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE was an idea of Professor ZK Matthews, an
ANC leader, which was adopted by the ANC Conference in 1953. It was
decided that the ANC together with its allies, the South African Indian
Congress, the Congress of Democrats and the Coloured Peoples Congress
would embark on a door-to-door campaign and invite the people of South
Africa to express their grievances so they could be addressed in a
The CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE was a dramatic and historic event which took
place over two days (on 25 and 26 June 1955) near Kliptown in
Johannesburg. The other organisations that were involved were
subsequently amalgamated into the ANC or ceased to exist.
Since 1955 the ANC has continued to make regular use of the name in
various different ways. In many political circles and amongst its
supporters is commonly referred to as the “CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE” and
or KHONGOLOSE WABANTU in Nguni, which demonstrate close present
association between the ANC and this name and concept.
The ANC enjoys significant common law rights in and to the name
CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE. The use of this name by any other party is
likely to confuse a significant number of the electorate into believing
that such a party is the ANC or is associated or endorsed by the ANC,
which is, in fact, not the case.
It is apparent that the choice of this name is not a coincidence,
considering the previous attempt to adopt the names South African
National Congress or South African National Convention and or SANC by
the new party. It was and is a deliberate attempt to create a
connection and association with the ANC and an event in history that is
inextricably linked to its goodwill. The adoption of a logo which
evokes and resembles the logo used by the ANC during the formulation
and adoption of the Freedom Charter underscores this.
The ANC demands that the new political party immediately:
a) agree to change the intended name and also the Section 21
company to one not incorporating or including the name CONGRESS OF THE
PEOPLE or any other names or marks which are confusingly or deceptively
similar to this name;
b) voluntary withdraw trademark applications numbers:
2008/26378-9 CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE in classes 25 and 45;
c) undertake in writing not to make any use of the proposed
name CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE or any other names or marks which are
confusingly or deceptively similar to this name, including as a trading
name or style, company name, trade mark or domain name, or in any other
manner without the ANC’s prior written authority;
d) undertake in writing never to distribute any promotional and
or advertising materials bearing the name CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE or any
other names or marks which are confusingly or deceptively similar to
this name, in any manner without the ANC’s prior written authority; and
e) deliver-up to the ANC for destruction, all matter in their
possession or under their control bearing the name CONGRESS OF THE
PEOPLE or any other names or marks which are confusingly or deceptively
similar to the name CONGRESS OF THE PEOPLE.
The ANC has given the new party until Thursday, 20 November 2008 to
comply with these demands failing which it will proceed to institute
High Court proceedings for an urgent interdict.
The current ANC generation has a responsibility to history, and to
future generations, to preserve the symbols and political heritage of
Gauteng is a Corrupt Province under Shilowa and he didnt do anything regarding the Corrupt.
Shilowa is an Unfit parent and you think someone who rufuse to accept his own child can be a leader in the society ???
if the newly ANC executive is led by the Communist Party to me is 100% right because they want to distribute the economy to the community not controlled by certain by individuals whom they recognised themselves as freedom fighters of their friends and family and not the country.
this will definetly work and i 100% correct , is hard time that the wealth must go back to the people and under this new ANC Goverment you will see this happen..
dont take the SACP bad as it only concern about the poor and the gap need to be closed…
the ANC, who is the ANC as the people who are in COPE are the people who contributed immensely to the organisation ANC talk about the leadership in the ANC now
Mbheki and his goons have been running the country in a manner that favours their own agenda. Mbheki had his loyalists whom he worked and listened to and all the people that opposed that “were kicked out”. He’s done a very good job in splitting the ANC into two which is a clear indication of failure. Nelson Mandela has never divided the party and I’m sure under JZ that will not happen. I wouldn’t be surprised that Mbheki has always been aware of this Shikota movement and he is just waiting in the middle to see to which side to settle with. Look at the counsellors who are resigning, their time is up and mostly have not delivered (but they want to stay in power and the only possible option is COPE). Jacob Zuma has been the deputy president only because Mbheki had no power to kick him out. Remember in the Parliament people vote for decisions and do you think JZ alone and may be a few would have won against Mbeki and his loyalists “ NO”. This you see the cartoonist last week on Sunday World , they showed a falling building the ANC and Mbheki with the bombs in his pocket, as the building falls he says “ Did I do that ? “ which he successfully did.
Viva comrades Viva the ANC , Viva our people and Viva our future. Zakhele you preach nonsense which in the actual term who preach garbage propaganda. Larry , Zakhele and others stop imposing the results of the old leadership of the ANC on the new leadership , they were just democratically elected. I’m confident that they will deliver more that Mbeki has in 10 years . Caddle your COPE,DA and other opposition and leave the ANC alone. We are one , we are a nation, we are comrades and we will always stand together. We face challenges, but I know we will prevail and we will win the elections and show the world that the ANC is a solid organization for the people. Viva the ANC, our future , our vote….
Viva Lerato and others, I love my country, I love my future and I will vote ANC. ANC is for the people , for the country and for our future .. Comrades elements like Larry, Zakhele and others will always try to discredit our movement but I say they will not succeed, they failed even when they had all the backup from the SABC and other media structures. Viva the ANC
Viva the people of South Africa, Viva the Comrades and viva the ANC. Comrades unity is streangth , lets stick together. Well said Lerato
The ANC , Our Vote ,Our Future.
Viva the moment of the people
WHOSE ANC ZAKHELE, LEKOTA HAS BRAINWASH YOU AND THINK LEKOTA & SHILOWA ARE ANC??
WAKE UP BROTHER, BEFORE IS TOO LATE AS YOUR VOTE WILL BE USELESS IF YOU VOTE FOR SHIKOTA.
Zakhele honest and truly lekota & shilowa are not an option here broer?
The ANC has failed because of their getting into bed with SACP and COSATU who each have differing ideologies, policy platforms, and leadership; – each trying to wrestle control from one another.
In Zuma, the communists have now taken control, and this is a deadly situation for our country, democracy, and the freedoms we ALL have fought for.
COPE represents a clean start without the poison chalice – TO DO WHAT THE ANC CANNOT DO or THAT WHICH THE ANC HAS FAILED TO DO with its so called ‘alliance partners’ pulling its pants down and tripping it up.
Lekota and Shilowa are equally good leaders in their own right otherwise they would not have attained their positions in the ANC government. They are no better or no worse than other good leaders in the ANC. If anything, their ‘supposed’ failure in the ANC (this cannot be said for Shilowa, who is an exceptional leader); – is more of an indictment on the whole of the ANC than themselves as individuals. Perhaps it was the ANC who failed these two (and many others it would seem), and the frustration of working in an environment which was threatening the judiciary, the constitution, and our democracy; – became too much for these brave and honourable leaders. NOTE WELL that Shilowa did not lose his job – HE RESIGNED.
Of course, some of you will never see the light and will continue to raise the ANC shoulder high even when it is a rotting corpse. Such is the inability of ignorant people the world over. You are not alone. Disastrous governments have been created by people from time immemorial.
Clever people, on the other hand, do not pay good money for stale and mouldy ANC cake. They learn from the lessons of history. Clever people know that communism is a failed social experiment, and are not fooled by the innane rhetoric and promises to look after the people. They know that money does not grow on trees, and that the global economy relies on capitalism to generate and sustain growth and prosperity.
Its one thing to be fooled by clever people, but its quite another thing to be fooled by a bunch of fools.
To :Zodwa Mbuli
You may try and defend JZ as much as you want.JZ is and will never be a good leader.He may become the next President but he will never make the good one.He is just a puppet controlled by these power hungry, self centred and confused big headed morons from the SACP and COSATU.They took him as a loop hole to fight Mbeki.He is just their tool, hence he state something in public and they will say the opposite.They are the policy makers now. I don’t see the ANC doing that anymore.The movement is no longer described as the ANC,SACP,COSATU Alliance,it is now the oher way round as SACP,COSATU ANC Alliance.TM had his loyalists I agree but Zuma had his owm loyalists too so he’s no different.If he was so concerned about the unity in the ANC he would have tried to preach about unity and defend it after Polokwane, but what did he do and his allies.He made everybody who exercised his/her democratic right by voting TM in Polokwane uncomfortable and unwanted in the ANC.This the a sign of the next Mugabe in SA.Nelson Mandela would have done the opposite I promise you..He would talk about unity, peace and reconciliation.That is what a good leader does.You can claim or crucify Mbeki that he destroyed the ANC,JZ is guilty as much.Tell me what makes you think that Mbeki and his allies governed the country in a manner that favours them, just give me one good example.Because that is an old story of the communist party.They had spread that rumour and to confuse people like you.He (TM) never had time for communism ideologeis.In parliament people vote for what has been decided in the Luthuli House of which JZ was part of the Luthuli house.
Yes Zakhele, Yes.
Larry you are so stupid it seems you were born Yesterday or maybe you used to follow NP in the oldest days.
SACP & Cosatu they have play a major role in the ANC and their will continue to do so as a Collective not your Useless DA.
Larry you are confusing yourself and please dont look so desperate to state your facts of something that is not exists as for Shikota has not yet being official Political party and hence their is no threat to use but for your DA,UDM,ID yes this Shikota will be the threat to them.
Grow up and know the politics dont speak like a child okay…
My ANC,My Vote, My Future…
One example you are looking for is Shikota , the trend was created by mbheki so that he remains the president of the state “ the fruits are Shikota whom when they realized that Mbheki failed , they started working on the new party behind doors in order to stay in power “.Brother I’m educated and not confused for your own information and do not waste your energy with the limited information that you have and think I chose the ANC out of media propaganda like you.
Zakhele or Zakhele the ANC process is two terms and the third term was passed and enforced by Mbheki as the president of the ANC to stay in power. The alliance between the SACP,COSATU and ANC has always been there post the independence so its nothing new. The alliance of Mbheki with some of the members of the party is alien to the movement as we are all equal in front of the ANC.
One example you are looking for is Shikota , the trend was created by mbheki so that he remains the president of the state “ the fruits are Shikota whom when they realized that Mbheki failed , they started working on the new party behind doors in order to stay in power “
Brother I’m educated and not confused for your own information and do not waste your energy with the limited information that you have and think I chose the ANC out of media propaganda like you.
And to Larry , please start reading and secure reliable sources . Shilowa resigned from the ANC before he could go for disciplinary and before he could be fired. Shilowa , Lekota and others have been for months and months using the ANC structures , information and resources against the ANC and when the movement became aware they started resigning in masses.The Allies of the ANC support fellow comrades but they do not follow individuals for your information. They support the ANC and as JZ is the president they support him as a comrade not an individual.
Larry the clown, you keep me smilling as you are so uninformed , actually correct word would be Ill-Informed.
I will pray for you… Poor soul!!!!
Never been said better Tshepo , never been said better.
You see this so called whites people like to decived us in believing wht the want, and you know even in bible you remember Petrus is what Shilowa & Lekota trying to be. One thing we must strive to do is unity in this times needed and only unity will prevail…
So guys lets give the New Leadership a chance as it has never be tested before, and this will definetly will be our challenge as we go to the poll next year.
Lets stand for what ANC is all about not the Individual like Larry but i know uZakhele will always remain with us, we do need you brother to come home and contribute in our search for Two-third majority…
Please Zakhele dont support the individual like Lekota & Shilowa did, that is wrong.
My mother always says ” Limited information is dangerours”. We now have a bunch of people, who knows nothing much about the ANC and who now have started commenting about thing they are not even sure about.These people are also amazingly gifted fortune tellers as they have started talking about the success of COPE and its alliance and the fall of the ANC. They have also started calling the ANC leadership names and telling the future of the country.My goodness guys, what else you and your leaders want from the ANC? Is’nt it enough that your leaders , yourselves and the media has painted the incorrect picture of movement.The board hand chosen by Mbheki in the SABC is doing an excellent job of discrediting the ANC and crediting the opposition.Now Larry you guys have all the ammunition pre-given to you so why do you just leave us in peace and focus on how you will waiste your vote on COPE or DA next year/
It’s lack of knowledge and wisdom Tshepo thats all. !!!!Viva the ANC!!!!
Tell me you clever chimp (you too Zodwa). Why do you want a two third majority?
Zakhele and Larry, cant agree with you more. I believe in GIVING FOOLS A VERY LONG ROPE WITH WHICH TO HANG THEMSELVES. It takes people who are not narrow-minded and who are not FANATICS to see reason. Fanatics believe that the ANC still lives. I am a fully-fledged ANC member but at present will do what I well like. Whether it is for my own benefit or for sheer decency of not wanting to have a rapist and a bigamist for a president, but when I put my vote-I will have the satisfaction of my life. Whoever gets to be president thereafter I wont care-I would have make my mark where I rightfully want it to be. If this is our country’s route to going down-we all cannot stop it. I will just not be responsible for that. AMEN
“You see this so called whites people like to decived us in believing wht the want, and you know even in bible you remember Petrus is what Shilowa & Lekota trying to be.”
I think I must step in here abuti Tshepo don’t you think that you are being racial once you mention sumbody’s colour broer ag man this is low, read Mark 3:24 before you can be so naive, just take a break and read it with wisdom there is no question ANC is a thing of the past period.
From your post it seems that you must be an oracle. So for our edification could you please explain to us in simple terms:
1. Does JZ’s ANC stand for free and fair elections by actively keeping their supporters away from opposition parties’ meetings?
2. Why do they warn others that they will make certain places no-go areas for opposition campaigners?
3. How can the ANC cadres stand for democracy and threaten violence at every drop of a hat or when someone has a different opinion to their own?
4. Why does the ANC not hold the incumbent ministers and officials accountable for mismanagement and corruption?
5. What are the specific plans that the ANC will implement after nearly 15 years in power to eradicate crime, poverty, poor health, education and housing?
6. What financial levers will the government pull to reallocate resources to make all these things possible bearing in mind that thousands of people in this country will be losing their jobs in the next 12 months because of a worldwide recession?
(Remember Mugabe tried printing more money when times got tough and look where that landed them.)
I respectfully await your answer, oh wise one…
Eli what happen is the masses are angry of what is happening and JZ didnt instruct them to do that.
The masses knows this people that are untrustworthy thats why the say the must come to speak to them as the fail before example Khotsong People.
ANC Cadres will always stand for a freedom of expression and not to do any thing that can harm the constitution of this country.
Minister who are incompetence were friend of Mbekies thats why he didnt do anything about that and that was his downfall.
The economy of the country will still remain the same but certain policy needs to be change those one who didnt work must be change and our priority still remain and will always be to fight poverty at all levels. Hope you did ready the copy of the current economic policy btw our partners and that i belive what their are saying.
finaly, the goverment will try to keep everyone jobs intact thats why our partner in cosatu is fully behind and will do anything to make our people benefit from the wealth of this country.
if you see in rural area the situation is so bad and this will be definetly be adress..
HOpe i answers your question even it was not adress to me..
do you understand.
Tell me you clever chimps (especially you Zodwa). Why do you want a two third majority?
Tshepo,i see you still even more “dim” than the last time i encountered you,you still havent figured out how structures of anc works.Let me see if you are a true member of the anc and no tanother “empy skull” populating the political discourse:
The only forum where economic policies of anc are changed is at the “Policy conference” held 6months before every national conference,the last “policy conference” held at Gallagher Estate decided to keep the same economic policies persued by anc under mr Mbeki,the same policies Zuma said are not going to be changed.Now tell me Mr Dim,how is anc under Zuma going to change “certain policies”that didnt work(as you mentioned)when the next “anc policy conference” is in 2012?
My friend????? You must wake up. If i said I used to vote anc but woke up. Would that make any difference to you??? No, I thought not.
You see, you say we know nothing of the anc, and of course you are right,,, because there is nothing to know because?????????? Because the anc knows nothing.
A vote for DA or COPE is the only direction to vote if we want to save this country from utter destruction by the ignorants. Maybe I should run for elections??? Maybe I can do better than most??
Good day Comrades,
Let me first clarify the following points concerning the ANC Policies and our Beloved Movement as a BRAND?
It is true that the next ANC policy Conferences will be in Polokwane, in any orgarnisation if One or Two policies doesnt work surely we are not dim as ZABALAZA indicated and it shows that ZABALAZA is an IDIOT who doesnt know his/her Roots, dont blame me whether you are straight or not thats why i used his/her in case you are both.
Coming to our Beloved Brand the ANC we are what we are and nothing an Idiot will do to destroy this movement. Every Citizen i mean and Loyal one not someone who is confused and get carried away with stupid guy stand up and start his or her on party based on what,? Loosing a position in a democratic progress, want to be in power for ever like your Grandfather Robert Mugabe.
Let me tell you we ANC we dont support someone holding on power for ever this is an orgarnisation and we have capable leaders on the wait and we are not one man party.
Lastly the Survery that has been conducted and shows that we are going to win the election by nearly 75% of the votes and surely all this talking parties for nothing will have to get the 25% from the mental distep people llike ZABALAZA,LARRY and others ….
Guys we need to stand together to destroy this Cockroaches that want to destroy our movement, are truly believe that you cannot destroy a brand overnight and all those who left us will vote for ANC in the next year electioon cause your blood is ANC and nothing you can do about it.
My ANC,My Vote, My Future and forward with the ANC forward and Power to the People…
The time to unity is now and show that we can defeat this Cockroaches once and forever….
A home is not built in one day, a family takes time to nature and groom. No tree that never gets shaken by the winds, the important thing is that it never moves.
People have left the ANC because of greed for power before, some have left because of conflicts of interests, some have left because the don’t like democracy , some have left just because they want things to blossom and get done over night.
Home is home , at times you will not get what you want. For each one of us , as we grew up , there are thousands of things we were denied by our parents for the greater good, for our own good, because they couldn’t afford, because they were unreasonable and many more….
Did we run away , some did and look where most of them are?
Street kids under bridges, thugs that robs us, became *** workers and other horrible examples….. why? Only just because they the way to hell is paved with gold.
A house is not a home unless it contains food and fire for the mind as well as the body.
Are the new oppositions homes or just houses ?
One thing I know for sure, ” HOME THEY ARE NOT “
Let them make noise but they won’t distruct and distroy the ANC. Let them give reasons why they left ANC. In those reasons one should be “WE LEFT THE ANC BECAUSE WE ARE THE GRIDDY SELFISH INDIVIDUALS AND WE HATE ZUMA” if that isn’t the part of reasons you must KNOW they are lying!! Don’t be misled comrades. Let us unite and give the best in protecting our current leadership and if there is a need to KILL let it be. AMANDLA
Skodide, Zabalaza and Eli (and others)
Keep it up guys. Sewage and disease can be overcome.
Larry that is an IDIOT remarks and it doesnt have a place in the new and democratic South AFRICA?
Hope you go to Zimbabwe where that remarks will be appreciated by Mbeki & Mugabe.
You still have apartheid mentality Shwi? Idiot Larry.
You would not know an idiot if it slapped you full in the face.
The world full of people, from all nations, would read your comments here, see your mentality, and shake their heads with shame at having to share the same DNA with you. Most would not have to put up with you so they will laugh at their own good fortune and pity those of us who have to put up with you, you sorry pathetic excuse for a human being.
Poor sanitation and medical disease can be overcome in spite of people ****.ting in their own drinking water.
How Stupid it is for a Leader saying that the Affirmative Action must be abolish?
Thats Cope for you, One needs to remember that this AA is the one that put him where he is today, you see the snake normally change colours and it is not surprising that Cope cant Cope with Policies?
This Party is not a treat instant is all about talk and where are the policy…
In SA their is no better party like the ANC it has the world class policies in place and it has capable members that can hold any position in Cope you see people who have failed dismall in their respective positions ..
SA is not a fool where ignorant people live we have fought for freedom and we know what is best for our country and banning the AA is not want we fought for?
So only One Movement that stand for us all and that is the ANC…
My ANC,My Vote,My Future..
Matla to the People..
“…..the ANC it has the world class policies in place and it has capable members….”
World class policies are useless if they are not implemented (made to work).
They are not implemented because the ANC ‘has capable members’. And Mugabe is a sterling (good) leader of his people and country.
Have you got tits growing in place of your balls, or something? You make yourself, and your ANC, the laughing stock of the world.
Jaysus, the brinjol for brain-matter with this clown is killing me.
Larry is a racsist pig who gets excited when he sees Africans divided. The likes of zabalaza, eli and shikota are brainwashed stooges who enjoy sucking pink c.o.c.k
the best thing you can do is tell us what is your political party have in stock for the poor african who are desperately seeking help. ANC has done a lot for the african people including the bloody whites, i am so exasperated with your comments because it clearly indicates that you know nothing about ANC and the black community. I am glad most of us understand that ANC will never fall and the majority still wants the rulling party to govern this country whether you like it or not. It high time you talk about your political organisation and leave our ANC alone.
I expect you to write about DA or COPE, IFP etc.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND RACIST UGLY HEAD WHO DOESNT KNOW NOTHING ???
Larry, don’t test our petience. Africans have been relatively good to you whites considering what you did to us in the past.
But time and again you spew your racist, fascist and provocative diatribe everyday. Your probably take solace from the fact that you have house niggars who are always ready to suck you a.s.s,i.e Zabalaza and Eli(wounded EC crew).
This is Africa motherfaka, if you hate Aficans, you must fak off from Africa.
If you were to live in Arabia or China and have so much hatred for the natives of those lands, you head would have been cut off a long time ago.
Ps. word of advice, you people have stollen our land, raped our women, killed our people, stole our cattle, and commited the most henious of crimes agains us but we we willing to overlook that and live with you, but don’t and I say don’t test our patience.
Tshepo,im confused about your reply about how “anc policies” are arrived at.Is the manure you gave me as an answer a euphemism for admitting that you were talking rubbish about anc’s new leadership going to change one or two policies that do not work if in govt next year?However you are right about any organisation’s right to change any policy that doesnt work for them,in anc’s case,its only at the next policy conference in 2012,not before.
I see you are the only person in the world who knows that the next policy conference of anc will be in Polokwane,what are you man,a sangoma/ psychic/credo mutwa…how about some lottery numbers dude.
Afrikak,im merely expressing my own opinions on this blog,im never influenced by Larry or anyone.If there’s untruth in any of my comment,feel free to correct me instead of turning yourself into an “first-class a.r.s.e”
And again,vulgar is not on dude and its a sign of a low-esteem,didnt your “single-mother” teach you that when you were young or was she busy chasing c.o.c.k.s. to fend off her loneliness?
You are a sell out dude, what are you a pig white or a white slave..
One thing you must know is Afrika is right and the way you behave you are a typical sellout and becareful Joe…
We Black we can forgive but Not FORGET what whites did to us…So you and Larry must go to Hell and dont put Afrika Mother in this Confession.
Stay away from how our mother raised us, You make this white think that we are Morally destroyed like them..
Wake up My Afrika and protect what is yours before is too late.
Zabalaza please apologies to a fellow African please man just do that??
OKAY IF UTATA MANDELA SAYS FORGIVE AND FORGET THEN YOU ARE SAYING AWU LETHI ‘MSHINIWAMIMSHINIWAMI’ NE IN THAT BIG HEAD OF YOURS,WE DON’T NEED IDIOTS LIKE YOU IN THIS COUNTRY AND FOR YOUR OWN INFO WHO GAVE YOU THE WRITE TO SPEAK FOR BLACK PEOPLE. THERE IS NO JOY IN FOCUSING IN THE PAST BABA LIFE GOES ON. WE ARE ALL GOD/AFRICAS’ CHILDREN WHETHER BROWN,PINK,YELLOW,WHITE,BLACK,MAROON,ETC. DIFFERENT COLOUR ONE NATION THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF UBUNTU GET IS RIGHT TRHOUGH YOUR HHHEEEEEEAAAAD, PEACE OUT
(ALLETS) YOU SICK YOU SMALL BALLS NEED TO BE EXAMINE??? WHETHER THEY CAN COPE UNDER PRESSURE BY THE LOOKS OF THING IT SEEMS NO??
you are a rat
Allet,thanks for objecting to idiots who always speak on behalf of us black people like we are a homogenious group,they irritate me no end.
Tshepo,i have a very low opinion of you,so i dont think you are in a position to tell or demand that i do something.Afrikak crossed the line of a normal debate by using vulgar and when you do start doing that,anything goes.You speak english,i’ll respond in english…you speak french,i’ll also respond in french as well.Easy
However,im willing to apologies to afrikak…and my apology will be with my middle finger.