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Mosiuoa Lekota has effectively announced the formation of a new political party, calling for a national convention of ANC members dissatisfied with the way the party is being run by supporters of Jacob Zuma.
He said: “The ANC started veering away from the course that attracted us to the ranks of its members.
“I was aware that more than 800 members of the ANC – activists with whom I’d worked for many years – had left the ANC in Port Elizabeth to join the UDM. Several hundred had crossed over to the ID. I was quite aware of the depth of disatisfaction from the ranks of the ANC who were now considering seriously leaving the ranks of the ANC.
“Very sadly, the present leadership of the ANC avoided dealing with the principles I raised in this letter and instead mandated comrade Jeff Radebe to draft a tirade attacking me.
“As I sit here I am yet to hear from the secretary general. Nothing about the issues of principle that I raised in the letter. Even as that happened, I was aware that various regions and even provinces … were contemplating leaving the ANC. I said we cannot leave the ANC, we are the ANC because we are committed to the principles of the ANC.
“The ANC is not the name ANC, it is its policies .. it is the democracy in the organisation.
“T-Shirts are printed with tribalist slogans decorated with the face of some very senior members of the ANC. No condemnation.
“Even on the floor of conference at Polokwane, these T-Shirts were displayed and no action was taken. Songs which advocate violence … when we are supposed to promote peace and development. Leaders of the ANC stand on public platforms singing songs that promote violence. Nothing is done, instead there is dancing to these songs which have become irrelevant.
“I amongst others became a pariah at the conference and heroes were those who advocated tribalism and these strange songs.
“Since Polokwane we have seen an even more surprising phenomenon.
“As if the president of South Africa is hereditary.
“The people must be free to choose what is in their interests. To therefore say we will kill for so-and-so … where is the people shall govern? Where is the right of the people of South Africa to vote and choose who they want in the leadership.
“Now we are saying, no, in a particular case – of the state vs the president of the ANC – there must be a political solution. What has happened to the clause in the freedom charter: All shall be equal before the law.
“Who is deviating from the Freedom Charter? Why did we spend years and years of suffering in exile and in jail for this clause?
“We have put in place institutions of government … now there is a tirade of attacks on the courts and the judges. And there is even the demand that we must defend verdicts which suit certain individuals. If the judges are described as counter-revolutionaries … where is the comfort for the citizens of this country.
“I have said to my comrades, we are not the only ones in the ANC who want to see genuine, firm, established democracy. There are many others outside the ranks of the ANC.
“Don’t leave the ANC. Let’s open a discussion with the ANC rank and file.
“We must stand up against this deviation, this arrogance. Let the people of South Africa decide whether they want the Malema’s of this world or whether they want sober leadership.
“In the coming weeks we will consult … to call a national convention to determine how to proceed, to defend democracy in this country.
“We paid the price for these principles. We paid the price for these princples. It would be a betrayal on our part not to rise to defend the legacy.
Lekota was addressing a press conference hosted by Radio 702 in Sandton, Johannesburg.
Other quotes from question time:
“We can’t deal with the matter unless we form an organisation. You don’t need money. You need people who are committed to the cause.
“We are serving them divorce papers.
Listen to what Lekota said:
Watch it on video:
See also:
*Free advice to those planning an ANC splinter party: Love something
ANC war: Radebe’s letter to Lekota – full text
ANC war: Lekota’s letter to Gwede Mantashe – Full text
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Ntando, while I agree with you that after next year’s election, the ANC will be back in power (however not with the margin you and your blind loyal colleagues are expecting). I strongly disagree that the masses you are referring to are not aware of the type of people JZ has surrounded himself with. Previously ANC leaders of note (excluding JZ) when they spoke everyone listened, last week JZ was mumbling on SABC 1, when asked to explain the crisis they been claiming doesn’t exist. He just liked those slips without anything substantially coming out. “I’m part of a collective” what mumbo jumbo is that? Even if you a part of the collective, who is leading the collective? JZ (with respect obviously) has no say whatsoever because he owes those cronies who used him to position themselves to power. It’s just said that the ANC you so proud off will never be the same, not because of Shilowa or Lekota but what JZ and his cronies are doing to the ANC.
To tell you the truth, you like JZ (like many (not all) KZN people), solely because of tribal connections. I wish you could just see what the new ANC is and stop being sentimental about old people who have no moral campus (with respect obviously).
The ANC has been hi-jacked by hooligans, from the ANCYL, ANCWL, COSATU, and SACP. Recently these so called leaders have continued proving the likes of Lekota and Shilowa about how hopeless they are, when they open their mouths garbage comes out (with respect obviously).
The arrogance most ANC comrades have “the ANC will rule until the second coming of Christ”. Clearly shows how you as a sheep will be slaughtered by arrogance obviously maintaining loyalty to the wolves in your party.
I hope you will wake up soon enough….
Look who’s speaking on behalf of the “our masses”,Ntando,what makes you think that those “our people” who dont have computers are going to vote for Zuma?You know very well about the recent sentiments among black former anc voters/members(me included)about NOT GOING TO VOTE NEXT YEAR,hence your kind in the zuma camp are in a panic mode and hurling insults instead.
And again,you seem to inflate Zuma’s popularity my friend,those supporters who accompany him to court are from poor households and poor schools in kzn and are bussed and paid to toyi-toyi outside courts.Hence none of them knows what an “inference or counter-revolutionery” means.
And lastly my friend,please drop the “our people” nonsense you guys are fond of,it’s condescending,its insulting and outdated.Respect people by addressing them as “people” or the people.
May I make my last comments on this subject. Zabalaza, Zuma was not voted as ANC President by Zulu people from KZN only. He is loved nationwide, and ofcourse, disliked nationwide too by the likes of you! You say I’m condescending and insulting, that’s your view I can’t defend myself there.
Zuma’s case was struck off in 2006 and again this year the judge ruled in Zuma’s favour but still you deny that he’s been illtreated politically!
I’m saying no more, let’s go to elections next year. We will defeat you the proper way and you will contiue making noise I bet!
AK, you cannot teach Zabalaza anything.
Ntondo, wrong again.
Zuma was not voted as president of the ANC by any people other than two thirds of 4000 delegates, who used a very different criteria when it came to choosing to support Zuma.
Criteria:
THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL SELFISH INTERESTS AND A MAD SCRAMBLE FOR POWER AND GREED FOR POSITIONS OF POWER TO ENHANCE THEIR INDIVIDUAL CHANCES OF ACCUMULATING PERSONAL WEALTH.
As to the criteria of choosing a leader who shows intelligence, capability and integrity, that will serve the people of this country well; – DID NOT HAPPEN.
Thats why we have democratic elections where the people get involved to correct the wrong choices and behaviour of our failed political leadership.
You, Ntondo, are counting on the masses of people who suffer the oppression of ignorance and tribal loyalty. I am talking of the people who still believe the promises that spew from the ANC come election time. This is why democracy does not work so well in Africa, because impoverished (mentally and poor) people can so easily be manipulated and mobilised behind the worst scoundrels.
Tell me, (not that I expect an answer from you), what makes Zuma so lovable? Is it his affable smile or the way he dances on stage?
Is his way with young women (as a married man of multiple wives), his grasp on finances and basic economics, his poor education, and/or his general corruptibility; traits that endear him to the population of this land.
Zuma will never be president.
Dear Larry,
I had resolved not to comment further on this subject but your baseless, cruel accusations trigger me to speak up once more.
1. You speak about criteria of electing a president in the ANC as if you know it. YOU DO NOT! You are not an ANC member, you hate ANC, hence you will criticize almost everything. The president is not elected by the NEC it’s from branch level by card-holding members! Had Mbeki won at Polokwane you wouldn’t be criticizing the criteria but because he lost you now just like Lekota are unhappy and you whine!
2. You constantly talk about tribalism/tribal loyalty, please be careful. This is a very sensitive issue. You wear a different coulour, you do not know the damage that can be caused by inflating these comments. Zulu and Xhosa people are not enemies, please do not take us centuries ago when this almost ripped us apart. We are blacks, we are brothers. Refrain from causing divisions, the more you talk about this, the greater the likelihood of it happening.
3. I do not take kindly to your utterances that degrade the president of our organisation. If you do not like Dr Jacob Zuma it’s fine but do not call him corrupt! No court has found him guilty of anything, treat him as an innocent man until proven otherwise. What do you mean by ‘poor education’? Your white government of the time didn’t make it easy for us to get your kind of education. Zuma didn’t finish school, we know. Many other great leaders did not, say something about them as well! He was exiled and jailed on robin island while your people enjoyed superiority! You also have a tendency of criticizing people by their culture. Our culture approves of polygamy, if yours doesn’t do not criticize those who practice their culture! SHUT UP, in our culture there is no 1st lady!
Ntando,the Zuma nomination list was decided in 5 star cigar bars over expensive whiskey by few elite anc leaders and then forced on branches,those who asked 4 a debate b4 accepting list(as per anc policy) r now purged one by one from structures.As 4 Zuma’s education,he had a chance in robben island to further his studies but he came out after 10 yrs with same std 3 he went in with,poor Harry Gwala tried to teach him to read and write but eventually gave up.ag shame
Larry,one of his abilites is preying on young female visitors in his guest rooms at night,with his once-neglected-daughter sleeping next door,with protection considered an option.SIES SIES SIES SIES
larry, ur devide and rule won’t work. U need a life, maybe a girlfriend. u apparently don’t have a social life. U are obsessed with Zuma.
Devide and rule was used by your settler forefathers, it won’t work now.
Lekota and Shilowa are just looking for a tickit to paliament next year to maintain their extravagant lifestyles. They know that they wen’t gonna make the anc list for both national and provincial, particullaly Lekota.
He was fired by Mandela as premier of the Free state. He went on to organise a few stooges to surport him with t-shirts with his face on it.
He said amaxhosa want to take over the anc.
Walter Sisulu once called him an anarchist. Deja vu……….I think not.
Ntondo. Dr Reverend Jacob Zuma is a herdboy.
1. One does not need to be a card carrying ANC member to aquire any special knowledge of how things work in the ANC. Please dissabuse yourself of this notion.
2. Zuma is accused of corruption and evidence exists to prove it. Shaik is sitting in jail for the same case of corruption. Why else does he fight to stay out of court where he himself can prove his innocence if he was confident thereof? Why else did he apply to the Mauritian courts to stop the handover of incriminating EVIDENCE? Why else did he mobilise his support base to threaten the judiciary and the independence of the courts?
Zuma DID sleep with that HIV positive woman, without a condom, and with full knowledge of her HIV status. If this had not gone to court he would have denied this. Just because he was found not guilty of rape, does not also exonerate him from this despicable and foolish act. What kind of example to the people is this? What kind of leadership is this? What kind of impulse control is this? Is this what we can expect from a man who was tasked with the government instituted “Moral Regeneration Movement” at the time. SIES, SIES, SIES.
3. Your culture approves of many things that do not fit in with the modern world. While I respect your culture and traditions for what they are, I do not respect polygamy because it relegates girls and women to possessions, with a worth less than that of cattle (chattel). Therefore there is this ‘culture’ that women can be used to satisfy our carnel desires with or without their consent. I do not respect the use of ‘muthi’, or the belief therein that is steeped in witchcraft and results in the mutilation of small children for body parts and the murder elderly women for perceived wrongs as an excuse for illness or bad luck.
I most definately do not approve of the culture of respect for people in positions of power when they have done so much to negate that respect by their despicable actions.
In the light of Dr Reverend Jacob Zuma’s indiscressions, respect will not be forthcoming.
Afrikan. White people do not have anything to do with the problems that the ANC is now facing. You cannot blame us for this one and hide behind this all too common theme.
I am a semi-retired self-made man, married to a beautiful wife for 27 years now with grown children and grand children. If I am obsessed with Zuma, it is because I care deeply about the direction in which this country is moving.
Zuma and the SACP led ANC is simply no good.
Afrikan, if indeed that’s your real name. You speak like a person who has reliable and credible sources about what Lekota and/or Shilowa’s reason for breaking away. My brother be intelligent (if you’re not already), don’t fall under the trap of creating unfounded conjecture, this country needs sober people who refrain from making statements of “mass destruction”. Be constructive in your criticism and argue base on principle not on emotions or blind loyalty.
Ntando my sister, it is with respect that I address you. I like your point that the fighting between the Zulus and others tribes in SA must never happen again. Your other views are regrettable and I find them troubling to say the least. However, freedom of speech should always be encouraged.
Larry, your ambition to see things as black = failure, is unfortunate. White South Africans are very fortunate of being shown tolerance by black people. White people as whole have never admitting their wrongs. It is with sadness of how they are treating our people in the workplace. My brother as South African respect must always come first and from you it should be a pre-requisite, irrespective whether you are right or wrong.
To the masses, ANC must be challenged at every level and they must always be aware that they are failing us with regards to service delivery (i.e. housing, unemployment and many more). Home Affairs is run like a spanza shop, which spanza shop must guard our nation’s borders of corrupt individuals (Larry note, not Zuma but others).
The struggle continues, please vote new party if there is one come 2 November 2008. Ntando Zuma will need your support as the saga with his court case still undecided.
At this point I pause….
I am so glad we are descending to being Burundi.Will the settlers contact their relatives home and tell them,the end has eventually come. I cannot wait to see the prophecy coming to fruition.
Now real liberation is beginning.Fake leaders have been ejected.And if they stand on our way,we will defend our self determination with our blood and if that entails killing.Let it be.
AK,what i’ve learnt from you is for one to know who he is,be proud of his culture,language etc.You are umswati but the furious way you trying to be umzulu and the way you start your sentences with “we the zulus…is really a shame,you are lost.Get in touch with your roots man,know your yourself,be proud of yourself,you are not umzulu and you will never be one no matter how much you try.
And you know what ancestors do to people who totally abandon their amasiko,before they destroy,they make mad first.That explains your long-strange post.
Zabalaza,
Ethnicity is the most dangerous tool to use. a man is what he behaves like. You are a white mman. i have no desires to make an African out of you. some white people view themselves as Africans and behave likewise. You cannot go and tell them,”wake up and be white people”
Zabalaza to tell you the truth, I have enough violence to chase you through the township. I will hunt you down. i will se dogs on you. and when my dogs and i catch you; we shall simply show you the good african heart. No my friend we do not believe in violence. but we will violently defend ourselves.
Zabalaza, have you ever fought in your life time. That is why, you speak like a woman
Larry, you must know something; when I say i will do it, rest assured I will do it.
Prepare for my arrival on your farm. As sure as the sun rises from the East, I will be there. I am not coming to fight with you. i will be coming to give you some cd’d, just tell me who is your favourite singer.
Larry it is guys like me you will be claiming to be knowing tomorrow.
“Pleaaaaaase Comrade do not hurt me. i am also a kamrate; ask AK”
AT THAT TIME THERE WILL NOT ONLY BE CRYING , BUT THE VERY GRINDING OF TEATH.
Cheers. I was just visiting, I am doing things far mor superior that bum flashing here.
Larry, I will post for you an article. Do not turn around now and say it was written by your late grand mother.
Larry, I am now a baptised communist. You are a detribalized communist. Your grandfather left his country, driven by the capitalist spirit of selfishness and thieving.
We will take over this country, not with weapons. we have already proved; it is not necessary to fight if you can win the hearts of people.
You gxamalaza, I wanyt you to join the real ANC.
But first I need to cleanse you of tribalism
Hello ak
when are you going to stop playing the race card?
regards,
rowan
Heh heh, AK. It did not take much for you to pick up your assegai, or to show you for what you really are.
It did not take much for the recent xenophobic attacks either. Well done AK. Spoken like a true African. You squabble amongst yourselves and take it out on the innocent. Aint gonna happen boet. This isnt Zim with 6000 white farmers who you can easily overpower.
Thando. In the interest of decent debate, I must challenge you on a few of your comments.
Firstly, black = failure is not my ambition, it is a sad reality. Africa stands alone and ashamed as its own evidence of this fact. I get no pleasure from this truth. It would give me the greatest pleasure to see failure turn to success, so that I too can share in it and feel safe from the likes of AK and his mob. I am not talking about wealth, but rather the state of success that occurs when things are done right and are working right; – those same aims of the freedom charter.
You say that “White South Africans are very fortunate of being shown tolerance by black people. White people as whole have never admitting their wrongs.”
I answer that – Black South Africans are very fortunate to be given so much charity from white people. Black people have never appreciated this, and instead of thanks, we are told we are wrong in everything that we do. Do the black people ever admit their wrongs?
There are always two sides to the coin, but let us not stray from the issue too much.
My brother, respect is earned. Even respect for ones own father.
Heh heh, AK. It did not take much for you to pick up your spear, or to show yourself for what you really are.
It did not take much for the recent xenophobic attacks either.
Well done AK. Spoken like a true African.
You squabble amongst yourselves and take it out on the innocent. Aint gonna happen here boet. This isnt Zim with 6000 white farmers who you can push around with impunity.
Thando. In the interest of decent debate, I must challenge you on a few of your comments.
Firstly, black = failure is not my ambition, it is a sad reality. Africa stands alone and ashamed as its own evidence of this fact. I get no pleasure from this truth. It would give me the greatest pleasure to see failure turn to success, so that I too can share in it and make my family (and countrymen) safe from the likes of AK and his mau-mau mob. I am not talking about wealth, but rather the state of success that occurs when things are done right and are working right; – those same aims of the Freedom Charter.
You say that “White South Africans are very fortunate of being shown tolerance by black people”, and that “White people as whole have never admitting their wrongs.”
I answer with the same generality that – Black South Africans are very fortunate to be given so much charity from white people. Black people have never appreciated this, and instead of thanks, whites are told that they are wrong in everything that they do. Do the black people ever admit their wrongs?
There are always two sides of the coin, and enlightened people make it their business to be familiar with both; – but let us not stray too far from the issues under discussion.
My brother, respect is earned. Even respect for your own father. This places sufficient leverage on the father to act and be respectable – so that we may learn and emulate good behaviour. Most importantly, so that we can succeed in life individually, and as a nation.
Heh heh, AK. It did not take much for you to pick up your spear, or to show yourself for what you really are.
It did not take much for the recent xenophobic attacks either.
Well done AK. Spoken like a true African.
You squabble amongst yourselves and take it out on the innocent. Aint gonna happen here boet. This isnt Zim with 6000 white farmers who you can push around with impunity.
Thando. In the interest of decent debate, I must challenge you on a few of your comments.
Firstly, black = failure is not my ambition, it is a sad reality. Africa stands alone and ashamed as its own evidence of this fact. I get no pleasure from this truth. It would give me the greatest pleasure to see failure turn to success, so that I too can share in it and make my family (and countrymen) safe from the likes of AK and his mau-mau mob. I am not talking about wealth, but rather the state of success that occurs when things are done right and are working right; – those same aims of the Freedom Charter.
You say that “White South Africans are very fortunate of being shown tolerance by black people”, and that “White people as whole have never admitting their wrongs.”
I answer with the same generality that – Black South Africans are very fortunate to be given so much charity from white people. Black people have never appreciated this, and instead of thanks, whites are told that they are wrong in everything that they do. Do the black people ever admit their wrongs?
There are always two sides of the coin, and enlightened people make it their business to be familiar with both; – but let us not stray too far from the issues under discussion.
My brother, respect is earned. Even respect for your own father. This places sufficient leverage on the father to act and be respectable – so that we may learn and emulate good behavior. Most importantly; so that we can succeed in life individually, and as a nation.
AK,your usual long,boring f.a.r.t vindicates my last post,ugula ngenqondo mnaka ,kumele uphahle ngoba ungathi abaphansi bakufulathele ngoba awuzazi ukuthi ungobani.And by the way,didnt u quit this blog?
Zabalaza,
There’s no logic in one engaging you in dialogue. AK said a mouthfull, and I hope you take heed of what he said. There is no thReat here, but if YOU people have the media and the opposition (white elites) on their side to discredit our president (Zuma), we will use what ever we have. Since we do not have the media behind Zuma we have no choice but to resort to Mass Mobilization (toi toi), and if needs be: COMBAT!!!!
My dear Rowan,
You are most unfair to me. How can you single me out for racism,when gxamalaza has deteriorated to such poor levels of tribalism. He is force feeding me Swazism.
Have you ever seen a mixed race Swazi. What will you say when you see me. My brother I look like Robert Mc Bride. What is Zulu or Swazi in that. I see the level of debate here is very low. I will post for you what we are debating these days. Kndly read what we write and see,if you have enough brain power to grasp
My dear Comrades; I was going to post this for Thetimes; I became jealous. I have kept it exclussively for you. It is your to tear apart and if necessary to burn it in Western Cape.
May I also put in my own two bob in this discussion? I see people are quite obsessed about the ANC being taken over by the communists and the workers union.
From what I see, all this talk emanates from poor history knowledge, which I am prepared to proffer here at no charge. It is difficult to argue unless you allow me to say a few facts, which are fundamental to our discussion
First, we need to agree that history is nothing but the battle for the soul of the world. Right from the day God created the world, the two brothers killed each other for no reason than that each wanted to be superior. You can look as close as the Egyptian times; it was the same battle of control of the word, small as it was during those days.
You can come nearer still to the days in Palestine, the Jews wanting to control the Arabs and the Arabs wanting the same.
All along nobody came with a clear definition of what the situation was. It always appeared that it was a battle between nations. At some point it was described as the battle between the haves and the have-nots. I honestly believe the person who gave us the best clarification of what the problem was, was the communist manifesto. Only then did it become clear that the battle was for the majority wanting to free themselves from the minority. This will hold true whether we are talking socialism or capitalism.
Having said so, until the Russian revolution or rather until the Marxist theory, none had put the problem so well. It is just fortuitous that capitalism had taken giant strikes in a very short time to place itself as the harbinger of world production. You will realize that all along, the rule by kings, emperors was really not much different from what the bourgeoisie wanted to do. The difference is that the entrance into the capitalist bourgeoisie class was seemingly more open and any man could enter and leave provide he was prepared to pay the price. Let me add a short sentence by my school teacher.” Poor people can proceed from poverty to prosperity, provided they are prepared to pay the price.”
What we had not been aware of until that time was the fact that capitalism, was never a fair system, nor was it ever going to be. It was just a matter of time before the well-structured revolt against capitalism could be found. It was only a matter of the stark realization of the facts, bourgeoisie capitalist had put mechanism, all be it per chance of bolstering his survival. It is only the nature of capitalism that the rebels would along the way fight each other while all sincere that they are fighting the enemy.
The only way the oppressed who had – by the process of history been identified as the working class, could only save themselves through amalgamating their power in what was called the labour movement. It is just obvious or the natural progression that the bourgeoisie would align themselves into political parties, conservatives or liberals. It was only a matter of time that the labour movement would seek to graduate to be something of greater power than just a union. Out of that was born labour parties and out of that was born the true communist party.
Why am I telling you all this. I am doing so, to delegitimise the argument that labour must remain labour and leave politics to the politicians. It is out of this clarification that you will see that the SACP and COSATU are one. Whether the core ANC had actually realized that labour was a distinct group within it or not is not really important. You must remember that during those days oppression was at the factory and oppression was also a political front where people were killed and sentenced to prisons without the due legal process.
If you have been following me, you will then appreciate that pure politics and labour movement became one. You will then understand why the bourgeoisie in Africa was using his political power to run the factory. The worker could not abandon this advantage and view themselves as laborers without also acknowledging that they too were political beings with political aspirations.
It becomes them futile to see where labour starts and ends and where the political being begins and ends. If the bourgeois can amalgamate economic power with political power, why should the worker not do the same? Out of this was born communism, which then realized that the class distinction was nothing but the ploy to exploit the lower class by the middle class who thought they were better, while they were both oppressed by the real ruler- the bourgeoisie. Capitalism had just changed the playing fields, but it is the same Cain and Abel battle. It is the same Rich Man – Lazarus battle.
I could go on and on and show you what the real battle is. I think for one day this is enough. I hope from now people will stop to insist that SACP and COSATU must stop dictating to the ANC.
Just in closing I would like to quote you” We work for you, we Kay you, we shoot you, we fool you, we rule you.” Out of this was born the hatred for religion, which was then justified as the religious were having their kingdom on earth while promising the poor riches in heaven. This is not entirely correct, but quite understandable.
If you begin to look at things in this way, then you will realize the futility of the Lekota party. The free spirit of the poor to determine their future and destiny will not be dampened and fooled by Lekota. If anything, the poor will follow him only to topple him having seen how easy it was to topple Thabo Mbeki and the inexperienced elite.
These people lacked the political skill to keep the masses happy while they enjoyed themselves.
It is the poor who toppled Mbeki. It is the poor who are crying for freedom. The poor have found the new meaning of the word uHuru. It is the poor who will topple the labour movement if the labour movement is not upfront with the poor.
South Africa will never be the same. Lekota may take his chances; the SACP leadership may take their chances; whoever, may take their chances. We are in an unstable transitional state. It is very important that whoever poses to be a leader does so with the most genuine heart; otherwise the same tsunami that toppled the Mbeki- Lekota group, which is now trying to enter through the back door, will topple the topplers.
Why am I saying all this. I am telling you to obviate a situation where we have unending tsunamis.
Enough for the day.
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Enough for the month. Go away you irritating insect. Who can possibly read such gumph?
This is for AK’s first post earlier. And Thando…
Heh heh, AK. It did not take much for you to pick up your spear, or to show yourself for what you really are.
It did not take much for the recent xenophobic attacks either.
Well done AK. Spoken like a true African.
You squabble amongst yourselves and take it out on the innocent. Aint gonna happen here boet. This isnt Zim with 6000 white farmers who you can push around with impunity.
Thando. In the interest of decent debate, I must challenge you on a few of your comments.
Firstly, black = failure is not my ambition, it is a sad reality. Africa stands alone and ashamed as its own evidence of this fact. I get no pleasure from this truth. It would give me the greatest pleasure to see failure turn to success, so that I too can share in it and make my family (and countrymen) safe from the likes of AK and his mau-mau mob. I am not talking about wealth, but rather the state of success that occurs when things are done right and are working right; – those same aims of the Freedom Charter.
You say that “White South Africans are very fortunate of being shown tolerance by black people”, and that “White people as whole have never admitting their wrongs.”
I answer with the same generality that – Black South Africans are very fortunate to be given so much charity from white people. Black people have never appreciated this, and instead of thanks, whites are told that they are wrong in everything that they do. Do the black people ever admit their wrongs?
There are always two sides of the coin, and enlightened people make it their business to be familiar with both; – but let us not stray too far from the issues under discussion.
My brother, respect is earned. Even respect for your own father. This places sufficient leverage on the father to act and be respectable – so that we may learn and emulate good behavior. Most importantly, so that we can succeed in life individually, and as a nation.
AK says in an earlier post:
“I am so glad we are descending to being Burundi.Will the settlers contact their relatives home and tell them,the end has eventually come. I cannot wait to see the prophecy coming to fruition.
Now real liberation is beginning.Fake leaders have been ejected.And if they stand on our way,we will defend our self determination with our blood and if that entails killing.Let it be.”
My reply as follows:
AK. It did not take much for you to pick up your spear, or to show yourself for what you really are.
It did not take much for the recent xenophobic attacks either.
Well done AK. Spoken like a true African.
You squabble amongst yourselves and take it out on the innocent. Aint gonna happen here boet. This isnt Zim with 6000 white farmers who you can push around with impunity.
Thando, my brother. I must take issue with you on something as well.
Earlier, you said – “Larry, your ambition to see things as black = failure, is unfortunate. White South Africans are very fortunate of being shown tolerance by black people. White people as whole have never admitting their wrongs.”
My reply (with respect obviously) as follows”
Firstly, black = failure is not my ambition, it is a sad reality. Africa stands alone and ashamed as its own evidence of this fact. I get no pleasure from this truth. It would give me the greatest pleasure to see failure turn to success, so that I too can share in it and make my family (and countrymen) safe from the likes of AK and his mau-mau mob. I am not talking about wealth, but rather the state of success that occurs when things are done right and are working right; – those same aims of the Freedom Charter.
You say that “White South Africans are very fortunate of being shown tolerance by black people”, and that “White people as whole have never admitting their wrongs.”
I answer with the same generality that – Black South Africans are very fortunate to be given so much charity from white people. Black people have never appreciated this, and instead of thanks, whites are told that they are wrong in everything that they do. Do the black people ever admit their wrongs?
There are always two sides of the coin, and enlightened people make it their business to be familiar with both; – but let us not stray too far from the issues under discussion.
My brother, respect is earned. Even respect for your own father. This places sufficient leverage on the father to act and be respectable – so that we may learn and emulate good behavior. Most importantly, so that we can succeed in life individually, and as a nation.
Larry, you will not b able to understand this if you just ended at matric
TERROR LEKOTA IS NOT JUST ONLY AN INTELLIGENT BUT HE IS PETIENT ABUOT THE COUNTRY AND IS NOT INVOLVED TO THOSE WHO SELFISHLY WASTE TAXPAYERS MONEY FIGHTING FOR THE HIGHER POSITIONS THATHA LEKOTA THATHA !!!!!!!!!!.
HAHAHA LARRY, I pity your sadistic mind. However, let me shed light in this dark brainless spew of vomit that you spewing out, you don’t have to forward the same stuff over and over again.
Be scared not of AK, but me. I’m the quite type that sneaks up behind you…I say this with regret over your reply regarding my last submission. In that, you agree that black = failure. Whites, in turn, will leave in droves to Australia and if you are an Afrikaner you will be doomed under my leadership.
To keep it short BEE and black = failure (as you say it) will be here until Jesus comes (not the ANC’s Jesus).
I thought I was dealing with a sensible human being, but I won’t entertain any of your comments with my reply.
The hate I feel for your kind Larry, keeps me up 24/7.
As a professional, I can’t wait until I reach the top, you will see a poppy dance…
That’s not a threat, it’s a promise “WHITE MAN” soon to be endangered species.
I am Ray Hartley, the editor of The Times, South Africa, a daily newspaper which was launched in June 2007 under the Sunday Times umbrella. I'm also the editor of Times LIVE.
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allow me to burst your bubble, you guys might agree on your dislike toward JZ here on the net but remember that you are a minority, most of our people do not have computers and access to internet, these are the people who will surprise you next year because they will vote for the ANC.
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