Larry

At least Mbeki is giving statesman-like consideration to the nation and economic stability, in his calm handeling of his personal humiliation. Whereas the Zuma effect is the opposite and consideration beyond the self is nothing but the typical impoverished mentality of the Zulu.

Mbeki must clear his name as an ordinary citizen of this country, and then Zuma must have his chance as well.

Bonginkosi

Larry, I do not take too kindly to your Zulu comment. It’s crass.

Mr Hartley, what’s puzzling about this application is this:
1. Mr Mbeki fired Jacob Zuma on an inference to a somewhat unsavoury relationship that might have existed between Zuma and Shaik. Zuma has so far never had the opportunity to clear his name (which I think is quite important and has to happen if Zuma is to get the respect that he thinks he deserves) but he still out of a job.
2. Mr Mbeki is now so upset and incensed at Judge Nicholson’s judgment having implied that he was messing around with the judiciary. He is adamant that he now wants to clear his name.
3. Why go at it alone instead of waiting for the NPA to finish their appeal against the judgment?

Something very odd is happening here. I haven’t quite put my finger on it.

Larry

Sorry Bongs. Dont take it personally. You are an exception but my generalisation does apply. Can you feel the pull, though? Was there not a spark that had you looking around for the nearest impi to join up with?

XT_Anti-ANC

its abt time that we as Xhosas to support our President through thick thin…at least he is behaving like a true statesmen indeed.

Atleast, We as Xhosas arent behaving like loose…

Take them on TBos, they dont who u are.

Did u guys see how RUDE nd ARROGANT Phoswa is..i even prefer the Malema aka ISIDENGE (FOOL)…reaaly this country will be led by the clueless…

LUCKY

MBEKI IS OBVIOUSLY RUSHING TO HIS BUDDIES AT THE CONCOURT, HE KNOWS THAT THEY WILL HELP HIM IN HIS MISSION.
ITS A BLATANT FACT THAT THE CONCOURT IS VINDICTIVE AGAINST JZ, ONE WILL REMEMBER THAT PIUS LANGA SAID ALL COURT MUST NOT ALLOW FURTHER LITIGATIONS IN THE JZ CASE.
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THEY WILL RULE AGAINST NICOLSONS JUDGEMENT….. AND THE NNPA,,,,WILL WIN THEIR AGAINS JZ AND ITS ONLY THE PARMANENT STAY OF PROCECUTION THAT WILL BRING AND END TO THIS PERSECUTION..amen..

XT_Anti-ANC

u speak like a typical Zuma stupid supporter….why am i not suprised…i hope Mkhuluwa will rescue the ANC from these whtever they are..

Tammi

Really what the ANC did to Thabo Mbeki is so unjust. I will not vote for the ANC on the upcoming elections because i do not support what they are doing in this country at present. Im sure the Mbeki supporter will come up with a new party snd I will vote for them. The Zulus must take Mbeki for granted we as Xhosa will support him and we will win the battle and that i can promise you.

XT_Anti-ANC

thts wht i am talking abt…

Reginald Radebe

I have never met such a stupid guy like larrytie, everytime you write the comments you show us the inner build hatred of being a racist and now transgress to tribalism. You are the disgrace not only to yourself but to your own people.

To my brothers out there do not be misled by all time backward and uncivilized Larrytie who fools you to be trapped on issues of racism and tribalism. Grow up Larrytie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Siyabonga Zulu

Mbeki…what a tragedy. I really feel pain for the ANC executives who have had to deal this blow to one of their own. Especially his long term friends like Dr Zola Skweyiya and Dr Pallo Jordan.

But that said, I feel Mbeki has been a divisive leader in the ANC. Tribal undertones, have always been there in the ANC, so we don’t really need to go there(not very good for democracy). But President Mbeki was persistent in his pursuit of a political purge of all his political rivals, from the day he took high office.

It’s an open secret that Chris Hani had been earmarked as Mandela’s successor in high office pre 94, BUT Mbeki being the shrewd intellectual that he is, convinced the youth league at that time of the dire consequences of being led by a socialist leader (disregarding the fact that a democratic alliance existed and a commitment to the NDR).

Subsequently Hani was assassinated (no allegations are being made here) and Peter Mokaba the youth leader at that time was singing Mbeki’s songs of greatness and valour. Mr Mbeki won the day (because of ANCYL influence), but we must note that there were leaders who were higher in the hierachy than Mbeki at that time (Tokyo, Ramaphosa and Zuma), who were naturally not happy about his ascension.

The question of his guilt and involvement in the NPA – Zuma saga is something I have no comment about. But he was wrong to fire Zuma on an inference and he should have expected that his old political enemies would be vying for his head.

In the end its all about KARMA…What you do to other will ultimately come back to bite your assets…simple.

sally martins

Quo vadis South Africa

As an international supporter of South Africa and its people I am saddened by the “bloodless coup d’état” orchestrated by the ANC leadership in the name of democracy.

Like Desmond Tutu said we fail to understand how an inference from a judge could be used as ground for dismissing a president when similar inferences by other justices about the President of the ANC were deemed reactionary and unacceptable by the same group of people.

How on earth can they expect President Mbeki to have the moral conviction to persuade Mugabe to accept democratic practices in Zimbabwe when his own party asserts through his forced resignation that he undermined the independence of the judiciary.

Its not empty assurances and rhetoric but concrete actions in support of the freedom of speech and accountabilty that will reassure South africa’s supporters at home and abroad.

Sally

PJ van der Walt

Sometimes I liked Mr Mbeki and sometimes I realy thought things will go better without him.I like his statesmen like persona and his obvious work ethic. Plus the role he played in the moral regeneration of Africa and the promotion universal concept of Ubuntu is highly comendable.He had a quite kind of dignity and I would give him a 65 % overall score—his aids policy wasn’t very good and he didn’t inspire the masses like Shavez but he was better than average. Anyway the way that the Zuma faction took over smacks of panic that their precious ( Zuma ) might be found guilty eventualy. But South Africans ( our media and us ) are to well informed for this to happen without serious ramifications. Guys have you ever stopped and started to look at the pattern around these guys.Take 15 minutes and go back 8years and look at all the guys involved with this internal high-jacking ! THE PATTERN doesn’t look good from a suppose leader of a country sleeping with his dead friends daughter to his communist friend denialism of receiving R500 000, to Malema and Vavi’s statements that they will kill for Zuma but that they don’t mean it to Mr Shaik in jail ! The Pattern The pattern the pattern doesn’t look good ! There is always laughter at these guys news interviews( Malema Vavi Zuma Nzimande) –have you noticed—and it sounds like scavengers !
But do they realy know true Ubuntu —-viva Mr Mbeki you tried your best but as the truism goes—The Enemy is inside !!!Ubuntu is true Democracy with a vote I know where mine is going because I have an obligation to our children !
Peace out!

kreyhound

yo… lets wait and see

Hugh

Zuma was suspended by Mbeki after there was direct evidence in the Shaik trial of an unsavory relationship. Nicholson said, and I agree, that Zuma should have been an accused in that trial as there has to be two parties to corruption. Zuma has always asked for his day in court and should be given it. Mbeki has now been convicted by the ANC on the basis of a judgment where there was no direct evidence which could be tested under cross-examination, as was the case with Shaik, and by a mere inference he has been found guiltily by his opponents. Mbeki must also be given his chance to clear his name, as Zuma has always asked for, and likewise Mbeki must be presumed innocent until proven guilty, so please let his challenge to the Constitutional Court go ahead and let him be given the chance to prove his innocence. The NPA must also proceed against Zuma, without interference from the new executive, and let the NPA prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. This is democracy. The same rules to everybody. Not ANC justice where you seize upon the opportunity now that it favors your ambitions. This is a watershed moment for all South Africans.

S.Viddo.N

It is typical of Zuma supporters to start attacking the judiciary whenever they feel that a judgement is not going their way.Why now they do not trust the judiciary(Concourt),but they just sacked MR Mbeki on the inferences of judge.