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	<title>Comments on: Zimbabwe election: What South Africa must do</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Provins</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-2/#comment-10096</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Provins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sipho,

With all respect, I do not think that young people will be easily convinced to act even if they knew what is happening in Zimbabwe. They see that their own leaders, who are aware of what is happening, are ignoring the situation and unless they can feel the pain of the people of Zimbabwe through greater and more intense media scutiny of the situation, they will simply go back to Facebook and things which have more meaning to them. We are a media driven society with greater ability to publicise world events than ever before but no one seems to be willing to really speak out or lay down the facts.
As I mentioned in my last posting, it all hangs on economic or military significance in the end and Zimbabwe has neither.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sipho,</p>
<p>With all respect, I do not think that young people will be easily convinced to act even if they knew what is happening in Zimbabwe. They see that their own leaders, who are aware of what is happening, are ignoring the situation and unless they can feel the pain of the people of Zimbabwe through greater and more intense media scutiny of the situation, they will simply go back to Facebook and things which have more meaning to them. We are a media driven society with greater ability to publicise world events than ever before but no one seems to be willing to really speak out or lay down the facts.<br />
As I mentioned in my last posting, it all hangs on economic or military significance in the end and Zimbabwe has neither.</p>
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		<title>By: Sipho M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-2/#comment-10073</link>
		<dc:creator>Sipho M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More needs to be done to educate the youth, and maybe everyone else, on what is really going on in zim and the world because all some of us see and hear are pieces of information with no apparent link. Most of it is bs. This is why most of you come up with these comments you seem to think are intelligent. We dont really know much!! We need more information to reach us so we can all come up with solutions and not just rely on lies&amp;opinions. Maybe then we would all stop talking and actually do somkething. Right now it just seems we&#039;ve lost the plot completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More needs to be done to educate the youth, and maybe everyone else, on what is really going on in zim and the world because all some of us see and hear are pieces of information with no apparent link. Most of it is bs. This is why most of you come up with these comments you seem to think are intelligent. We dont really know much!! We need more information to reach us so we can all come up with solutions and not just rely on lies&amp;opinions. Maybe then we would all stop talking and actually do somkething. Right now it just seems we&#8217;ve lost the plot completely.</p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-2/#comment-10068</link>
		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malamba....The British may be wrong in not keeping their promise for money...fine...but how does that translate in Mugabe killing his own people to stay in power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malamba&#8230;.The British may be wrong in not keeping their promise for money&#8230;fine&#8230;but how does that translate in Mugabe killing his own people to stay in power?</p>
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		<title>By: Broer Bald</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-2/#comment-10062</link>
		<dc:creator>Broer Bald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh pissoff Malamba. You are littering these blogs with the same post over and over again. We read you the first time. You may think you have the holy grail, but to the rest of us it is a used condom on the pavement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh pissoff Malamba. You are littering these blogs with the same post over and over again. We read you the first time. You may think you have the holy grail, but to the rest of us it is a used condom on the pavement.</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-2/#comment-10059</link>
		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are we as Zim&#039;s neighbours waiting for, why are we not putting pressure on Mbeki to stop being such a pathetic &quot;mediator&quot; and act and act now! I want to organise a protest, which will get real attention - Who&#039;s in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are we as Zim&#8217;s neighbours waiting for, why are we not putting pressure on Mbeki to stop being such a pathetic &#8220;mediator&#8221; and act and act now! I want to organise a protest, which will get real attention &#8211; Who&#8217;s in?</p>
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		<title>By: ak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-1/#comment-10056</link>
		<dc:creator>ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Malamba we  will help the people of Zim; but they must also agitate for help a bit. They defeated Smith. Why can they not defeat Mugabe. Why are they still voting for him. He should have lost by big margins to make it impossible to rig the elections.

Zimbabweans must first be united themselves against any oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Malamba we  will help the people of Zim; but they must also agitate for help a bit. They defeated Smith. Why can they not defeat Mugabe. Why are they still voting for him. He should have lost by big margins to make it impossible to rig the elections.</p>
<p>Zimbabweans must first be united themselves against any oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: malamba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-1/#comment-10055</link>
		<dc:creator>malamba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, as a black African currently living abroad, I am beginning to be concerned by the reasoning of black journalists and intellectuals in South Africa. I am concerned because very soon South Africa may be asked to be a permanent member of the UN Security Council representing Africa. Are South Africans fit for this task? Should we now look to Nigeria to take thus UN seat?

I maybe wrong here but it seems to me that black South Africans define intellectualism as endorsing everything said or done by Europeans. So to be an intellectual you have to endorse everything Europeans say.

How is it that of all hundreds of black journalists in South Africa, none (at least from reading the press there) seem to think Mbeki&#039;s approach is right? In any group of normal intelligent people there is a divergence of ideas. Why is it that all South African Black journalists and intellectuals in South Africans just happen to think just like the BBC, Guardian, etc?

Mbeki&#039;s policy on Zimbabwe is not horrible at all. The Zimbabwe crises started with the land issue. Mugabe maybe wrong this far, but the British shares a big part of that blame. Have any of those journalists in South Africa considered the implications of SADC dealing with Zimbabwe by critizing Mugabe without saying anything about the British?

Sometimes in international politics long-term security and dignity override short term goals. If a group of terrorists kidnap British nationals today demanding Britain to do something before they release the captives, the British government will not burge an inch even if it will mean death of their nationals. Why? Because when you start negotiating with terrorists you lose. They will exploit you again and again.

Since Britain started this current crises by unfairly breaking a promise with Mugabe, is there any implication in Africans closing an eye to the British role and condemn Mugabe only?

It may well be that one of the consequences of apartheid is that black South African have been brainwashed so much that they do not see these things properly. They have failed to defend their president and country. Does anybody think they will defend Africa?

Maybe it is time Africa started looking to Nigeria for that permanent UN Security Council seat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, as a black African currently living abroad, I am beginning to be concerned by the reasoning of black journalists and intellectuals in South Africa. I am concerned because very soon South Africa may be asked to be a permanent member of the UN Security Council representing Africa. Are South Africans fit for this task? Should we now look to Nigeria to take thus UN seat?</p>
<p>I maybe wrong here but it seems to me that black South Africans define intellectualism as endorsing everything said or done by Europeans. So to be an intellectual you have to endorse everything Europeans say.</p>
<p>How is it that of all hundreds of black journalists in South Africa, none (at least from reading the press there) seem to think Mbeki&#8217;s approach is right? In any group of normal intelligent people there is a divergence of ideas. Why is it that all South African Black journalists and intellectuals in South Africans just happen to think just like the BBC, Guardian, etc?</p>
<p>Mbeki&#8217;s policy on Zimbabwe is not horrible at all. The Zimbabwe crises started with the land issue. Mugabe maybe wrong this far, but the British shares a big part of that blame. Have any of those journalists in South Africa considered the implications of SADC dealing with Zimbabwe by critizing Mugabe without saying anything about the British?</p>
<p>Sometimes in international politics long-term security and dignity override short term goals. If a group of terrorists kidnap British nationals today demanding Britain to do something before they release the captives, the British government will not burge an inch even if it will mean death of their nationals. Why? Because when you start negotiating with terrorists you lose. They will exploit you again and again.</p>
<p>Since Britain started this current crises by unfairly breaking a promise with Mugabe, is there any implication in Africans closing an eye to the British role and condemn Mugabe only?</p>
<p>It may well be that one of the consequences of apartheid is that black South African have been brainwashed so much that they do not see these things properly. They have failed to defend their president and country. Does anybody think they will defend Africa?</p>
<p>Maybe it is time Africa started looking to Nigeria for that permanent UN Security Council seat</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-1/#comment-9683</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mugabe should be met with the equal violence he is using against you all to cling on. What are you wanting for??? Isn\&#039;t there anyone with fight left that will do something to get rid of this guy. You are worse off in Zim than they were under Saddam Hussein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mugabe should be met with the equal violence he is using against you all to cling on. What are you wanting for??? Isn\&#8217;t there anyone with fight left that will do something to get rid of this guy. You are worse off in Zim than they were under Saddam Hussein</p>
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		<title>By: Jhbman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-1/#comment-9680</link>
		<dc:creator>Jhbman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We as South Africans can whistle the National anthem through our backsides and this will have no impact on our govenment, life&#039;s to good for our Government (just observe the ANC youth league and the way they conduct themselves). besides Old man Robert was there for them in the dark old days....Speaking of which, South Africa in global terms is still seen as part of the &quot;Dark continent&quot; So the economic powerhouses of the world have more important issues to deal with than worry about yet another degenerating African country. Sad but true !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We as South Africans can whistle the National anthem through our backsides and this will have no impact on our govenment, life&#8217;s to good for our Government (just observe the ANC youth league and the way they conduct themselves). besides Old man Robert was there for them in the dark old days&#8230;.Speaking of which, South Africa in global terms is still seen as part of the &#8220;Dark continent&#8221; So the economic powerhouses of the world have more important issues to deal with than worry about yet another degenerating African country. Sad but true !</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/hartley/2008/03/31/zimbabwe-election-what-south-africa-must-do/comment-page-1/#comment-9673</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>angry zim girl, I applaud you for you comment. It is time for action. As a white South African male though, I am embarrassed by our governments lack of involvement in helping Zimbabwe. As a citizen of the world, I am embarrassed by the lack of help received.  Funny thing is, 90% of South Africans want something to be done yet our government sits on their lazy asses and continue to ride the gravy train for all they are worth. I hope that peoples perceptions of South Africans are not based on what our government does. They do not speak for me, yet unfortunately they are my voice!
I hope that this crisis, because that&#039;s what it is, is resolved soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>angry zim girl, I applaud you for you comment. It is time for action. As a white South African male though, I am embarrassed by our governments lack of involvement in helping Zimbabwe. As a citizen of the world, I am embarrassed by the lack of help received.  Funny thing is, 90% of South Africans want something to be done yet our government sits on their lazy asses and continue to ride the gravy train for all they are worth. I hope that peoples perceptions of South Africans are not based on what our government does. They do not speak for me, yet unfortunately they are my voice!<br />
I hope that this crisis, because that&#8217;s what it is, is resolved soon.</p>
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