Posted: February 7th, 2008 | By Ray Hartley | Posted in General | Tagged as , , , , , ,
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I ask this question because of the hundreds – yes HUNDREDS – of highly abusive, racist and hate-filled comments that are posted on any story to do with anything on South African sites that allow the public to comment. Fortunately, these comments are mostly filtered out by administrators, but they do suggest that the open social media utopia that we dream of is in danger of becoming a cesspit of hate and anger.
A typical discussion thread goes like this:
1. An article is posted, say on why the football team drew a game after a valiant 90 minute effort;
2. A reasonable, argued comment goes up along the lines of: “We should have done better, but our defence was too weak and we lacked a striker”;
3. Then comes: “Maybe they should have stuck with a white captain. But Neil Tovey would never even get into this new South Africa trash side.”
4. The floodgates open and the racist invective flows like blood from a severed caratoid.
5. Those posting comments start reporting views they disagree with as abuse and these are removed.
6. Moderators sift through the flotsam and jetsam at a loss for words.
7. The next article goes up and it all starts again.
I don’t mean to demean the many very positive, very constructive and frequently highly articulate participants in our discussions. But there are seriously awful people out there who are finally giving vent to their seriously awful views online.
Makes you long for the old media.

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Comments

 

gmk

February 7, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Agreed, its a shame when someone posting in what they suppose is an anonymous environment lets their prejudices hang out at the expense of what is often a good debate about whatever the issue.

And it appears any issue can be turned into some kind of racial debate – it gives a pretty good indication that its still barrier we need to cross.

And what bugs me the most about it, is that often posters when challenged about their content resort to dismissing the challenge with a ‘you are being to sensitive’ or flaming you and your mother when it easy to see how their comment could be construed as racist.

 

pete ess

February 7, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Terrible. Yet, like democracy, web 2.0 is the best we have. All this racist rubbish is being spewed out around braai fires and pubs all over the country. It’s BETTER it also gets into print. Let people read and blush.
Also, well-thought, calm, rational replies – among the knee-jerk replies – can (slowly) temper the rot.

 

JoeyW

February 8, 2008 at 1:18 am

Ray, I swore I would never look at this news again because it all upsets me too much, but came to read the remarks.
Look at this, it’s disgusting.
Crticism is one thing, but this is real s-stirring.

I wish they could do something about it.

Hitler said at Feb 8 2008 12:21AM
I agree with guys you know I love the colour of my skin; it is so pale sometimes I get afraid I might turn into a pig.

My fellow racist together with our editor who buy our ****; I remember in the good old days as marklab said during Apartheid, we were the darlings of the boerebond that broerskaap ****. I remember the editor of this blog used to be part of it as well; thats why he can’t allow blacks to stand against whiteys like us.

We used to enjoy all the goodies including security at the expense of the all those darkies, ask Dr. Death Basson, my dear Friend Eugene de Kok, General Konstant Viljoene, Niewenhout, PW BOTHA etc.

We used to send the army, the police even the 3rd force to go and kill innocent black children, remember Hector Pieterson(13) just for crying for freedom. Now the chickens are coming home to roast and we cry foul because the very limited resources have to be shared with these *****.

We must be real scumbacks I would rather emigrate before BRITAIN CLOSES THE DOOR ON MY ***

 

A.K

February 8, 2008 at 1:55 am

Hi JoeyW,
I just came in here after seeing your name. please come home, we miss you. There is no more insulting there, everybody has become born again Christian including, Russel and Brother Boer.

please do not respond to me here you will find me at “The Wheels Are Turning For Zuma”

 

Tim Singiswa

February 8, 2008 at 9:32 am

All i wish its that the removal of comments on no reasonable or coherent grounds can stop since you are right that prejudice and stereotypoes is the only reasons that lead people to rush for the “report abuse buttun”

 

JoeyW

February 8, 2008 at 10:13 am

Ray, I have reported abuse of my own message there because I feel the less people who see it the better, I hope you can read it.

 

JoeyW

February 8, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Here is another one by ‘Hitler’. I just had to find out if he was white (excuse racism) and you can see by the message he is not.

This is from ‘Jeppestown judge accused of bias’. He repeated the same message as above on that article too.

Hitler said at Feb 8 2008 8:21PM
morecats,

Did you serve in the former SADF? Where were you deployed? Was it in the townships to protect our nation?

 

Stii

February 10, 2008 at 10:49 am

I feel like saying Web2.0 has nothing to do with racism. Technically it does not, but I hear what you are saying. It unfortunately gives them a vehicle to vent their stupid opinions.

Why don’t you guys simply make an example. They might seem anonymous, but they sure can be tracked down! It might be a bit of a mission, but these ******** would think twice before writing their **** next time! All you need is to unmask a couple of them and then let justice take its due course. End of problem!

 

Wade Balsdon

February 10, 2008 at 12:07 pm

Yes it is problematic. However I do not have an issue with people’s points of view. It is when they start with the obscene language. It reminds me of primary school.

 

South African

February 10, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Well done on pointing out this important issue, and of course racism permeates through South African society – but why? And what can be done about it? The answer to the second question is the easier one – “if you want to make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change”. I think the blogging world has a valuable role to play, in the way racist incidences are treated by the communities.

Why is racism so unnecessarily ingrained in our society – the obvious answer is apartheid, however we still live in an environment where there’s institutionalised racism in, for example, our labour policies. Most institutions have a preference to hire blacks. I’m not saying this is right or wrong, but I am not surprised that racism is still so rife when it lives and breeds in our institutions.

 

Twylite

February 11, 2008 at 10:48 am

Social media just allows more people to exercise their freedom of speech. Unfortunately not all speech is constructive, and so we get unsavory comments (by racists, etc).

This is actually a good thing. Individuals maintain their state of prejudice because (1) their opinions are representative of their peer group; (2) groups actively reinforce common values and resist change; and (3) it is natural for people to assume that their individual and group beliefs are more widely represented in society than is the actual case.

So I say that unsavory comments on blogs are a good thing because individuals will be challenged on their opinions, subjected to new ideas, and learn that their beliefs are not universal. Not all individuals will change, but being confronted with alternatives is the basis for change.

 

Snowy Smith

February 18, 2008 at 5:58 pm

AFTER the ANC came to power?

Message:
“What did South Africa have before the ANC came to power?

Answer: Electricity.”

“What did South Africa have AFTER the ANC came to power?

Answer: NO Electricity,”
Highest Crime rate in the World,
Highest Murder rate in the World,
Highest Murder of White Farmers in the World,
Highest Rape rate in the World,
Highest HIV in the World,
Highest Street and River Pollution in the World,
Highest Bay pollution in the World,.
Highest pollution on the Beaches in the World,
Highest Corruption in the World,
Highest amount of cash just gone missing in the World,
Highest amount of Criminals in Parliament,.
Highest amount of Criminals in Municipalities,
Highest amount of Corruption in the Police,
Highest amount of Criminals in the Police.
Highest ERROR OF JUDGMENTS IN THE WORLD,
Highest Noise Pollution from Police Cavalcades in the World,
Highest Abuse of Police Sirens in the World,
Fastest deterioration of Infrastructure and Roads in the world,
Most negligent baby deaths in Hospitals World Wide,
Worst Taxi drivers in the World,
Most Road Deaths caused by Black Taxies World Wide,
Most Taxi unpaid Traffic fines in the World,
Loudest Taxies in the World,
Most Road Robots out of order in the World,.
Most manhole covers stolen in the World,
Most illegal electricity connections in the World,
Most non paying electricity customers in the World,
Most non paying Rates customers in the World,.
Highest Attorney Theft and Fraud in the World,
Highest Police bulling law-abiding citizens for a Bribe,
Highest Abuse of Police Sirens in the World,
Highest number of Defective Condoms recalled in the world.
Worst Education in Africa, if not the World,
Highest amount of forged Education Certificates.
Highest Double Standards in the World,
Highest Abuse of Police Sirens in the World,
Even the Vagrants are complaining along VAGRANT EMBANKMENT,
They cannot sleep.

-30 Screaming Police Sirens per day and all night.

NOISE POLLUTION.
ANC going to SUPPER. ETC ETC ETC
ANC going to the AIRPORT ETC ETC ETC
These same useless Policemen cannot catch the Criminals,
All they can do day and night is abuse the police siren and force all the law abiding citizens out the way.

Those same USELESS POLICE who cannot catch criminals nor do their job.
I know were the criminals are how come the Police cannot find the criminals?????
Are the Police AFRAID of the BLACK CRIMINALS?

The Policemen are the most useless bunch I have ever seen.
I have laid many complaints.

Please give us a sensible realistic, adult answer to solving this ANC CRIME CRISIS in South Africa.

Any suggestions???

Apartheid is NOT to Blame we have already eliminated that one.
It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with the NATS.
It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with Hendrik Verwoerd.

It’s an ANC CRIME CRISIS in South Africa.

Before you go please give me full details who is doing all the crime in South Africa and how are we going to solve it??????

I hope you Blacks are NOT going to leave it to us Whiteys to sort out.

 

Jacob Zuma

February 19, 2008 at 12:51 am

In reply to your question, I would like to say I doubt it will make any difference. 90% of the monkeys in the zoo can´t read, so how could they be offended, and those that can will recognise it as the truth.

 

Fred Brown

February 19, 2008 at 1:20 am

Celine Dion is the greatest.

 

Tim Singiswa

February 19, 2008 at 11:09 am

Snowy,brown and this chihuahua that calls itself zuma YOU ARE IN THE ZOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU LOOK LIKE MONKEYS TOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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