Steve

Hey Dweeb – tell that to the parents of the surviving baby…..

Bruce Gorton

Steve
September 5, 2010 at 12:16 pm

Right after you tell the parents of the deceased ones that their kids didn’t deserve to live – douche.

Andries

Good point Bruce. I am with you on the stupidity of proclaiming miracles. We just had a case here in Australia were a premature baby almost didn’t make it, now it’s a miracle, and has nothing to do with medical science at all… wonder if the baby would have survived without a medical team to help. Same with the Chilean Miners, it’s a miracle they survived. Funny but I didn’t see Jebus pitching up with a shovel to held dig them out!

Bruce Gorton

Andries

And it is so predictable. I mean, okay headline writing isn’t like writing plays, but surely we should be able to move beyond a headline that has been in use since the invention of the word miracle?

Jill Hindshaw

Just because you didn’t see Jesus, doesn’t mean he wasn’t there. His love for mankind was displayed on the cross. For me it is a miracle that, God the Almighty, creator of all things, wants to have a personal relationship with me. Seek and you will find him.

Alwyn

Couldn’t disagree more…there is just some things that science simply cannot explain.

Miracles = act of God

If miracles didn’t exist, how do you explain the guy that jump out of the WTC on 9/11 from the 80th floor, hit the ground and survived? Or the woman whose parachute didn’t open, fell 1000m and survived? If that isn’t miracles then how do you explain that? And don’t give coincidence as an answer, it’s a weak argument.

I hear your point about the other people that died in the crash…but you are looking at the glass as half empty. The fact that no one else survived shows how small the odds were for the child to have survived, but still managed to do so.

And please don’t use anything about Ray McCauley as an example, he is poison. As a devoted Christian I cannot stand Ray McCauley as he only enriches himself (just look at his house), which is very unchurch-like.

Personally I feel sorry for anyone that doesn’t believe in miracles

Bruce Gorton

Alwyn

If miracles didn’t exist, how do you explain the guy that jump out of the WTC on 9/11 from the 80th floor, hit the ground and survived?

So far as I am aware all of the jumpers from the higher floors died.

Or the woman whose parachute didn’t open, fell 1000m and survived?

I would have to know more details – what she was wearing, where she landed, and how she landed could all explain it.

If she was in standard skydiving gear – my guess is she likely survived thanks to a combination of a soft landing area, baggy clothing, positioning her body to maximise air resistance and trying to land on her side to spread the impact. An updraft may have helped. Relaxing is important too.

It is similar to how cats survive high falls – though their physiology is more suited to it than humans’ are (A cat’s terminal velocity is about 60kms per hour, a human’s is about double that.)

As to Ray, the main point to my post is not so much religion, as lazy reporting. Miracle, is a bit like the word hero – so overused that it has lost all meaning.

Lenny

Hi Bruce,

It never ceases to amaze me how easily people accept (or seize onto) supernatural explanations for things they just couldn’t bother finding truthful (realistic) answers for.

And oh, I wonder why Jill thinks it’s normal to publicly declare her inclinations to have a relationship with an invisible entity?

CA Meijer

Alwyn

Please provide the name of the person who survived jumping from the WTC.

Sheesh!

Bruce Gorton

Lenny

The weird thing is that the whole “Getting lawfully sentenced for a crime you were convicted for in what was probably the fairest trial of the era” being so central.

I mean, even if you believe the story it isn’t all that stirring. Everybody dies, and most of us have the good manners to stay that way :p

Andries

Alwyn, Miracles are far more likely to be a coincidence of a chain of –as yet- unexplained events. Simply equating a Miracle to and ‘act of god’ does not answer any questions, it is just a easy out way of saying ‘I can’t be bothered to think’.

And your claim about the WTC jumper who survived is –I strongly suspect- bunk.

Andries

Jill: ‘Just because you didn’t see Jesus, doesn’t mean he wasn’t there.’ WTF? Sorry Jill, these kind of rubbish statements does not lead anywhere if are to have a healthy debate about this issue. The fact that those miners where found were I think, wholly due to the efforts of the men and machines who were looking for them. Jesus if he was –if he was there, as you seem to imply- merely a powerless spectator like the rest of us.

But one often finds these arguments when debating the faithful. The faithful say : ‘God saved me from dying in a earthquake where a 1000 other people died horribly !’ So, what about those other 1000 victims? Did god not like them? Why save only ‘you’? Why cause the disaster in the first place if he is so kind and concerned about mankind’s welfare? It doesn’t add up.

And lastly I have searched for god, I did find him, and he was man made.